tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post1891644433395799045..comments2024-03-23T05:55:29.759-04:00Comments on Bonsai from the Right: You Have The Right To Remain Silent. WHY?Chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12905362327313044045noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-72739089717048236232010-02-05T16:08:02.058-05:002010-02-05T16:08:02.058-05:00JoeC Still Beleive TERRORIST Should Be at GITMO at...JoeC Still Beleive TERRORIST Should Be at GITMO at Mercy of Interrogators PERIOD! I Guess I Just Beileve TERRORIST Deserves What HE Hands OUT, TERROR and on that WE will NEVER Agree!ALnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-10395011180953160472010-02-05T09:44:03.831-05:002010-02-05T09:44:03.831-05:00Al,
I'm plenty calm.
I'm not happy about...Al,<br /><br />I'm plenty calm.<br /><br />I'm not happy about trying the Gitmo prisoners in America just like you, but for different reasons. One the possibility exists that due to the morally repugnant actions of the Bush admin and its agenda in Gitmo, we face the threat of offering up evidence that violates our constitutional views on coercion. Could that lead to the possibility of a "Not Guilty" verdict? yes. Would that be good? No. <br /><br />The fact remains that we used questionable techniques on prisoners that we shouldn't and placed ourselves in a spot. And now you and others like you would further our immoral actions by using a deficient tribunal system which offers little if no real justice in its ways. <br /><br />We are left with the lousy situation of trying these people with forced evidence in a system that is supposed to protect us from that. <br /><br /><br />As for the XMAS day bomber i give you the Constitution<br />Article 3 - The Judicial Branch<br />Section 2 - Trial by Jury, Original Jurisdiction, Jury Trials<br /><br />The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.)......<br /><br />....The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.<br /><br />It specifically offers Citizens of Foreign states the right to trial by jury. <br /><br />Is that good enough for you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-65536166613039549462010-02-05T08:54:20.909-05:002010-02-05T08:54:20.909-05:00JoeC If It Makes OUR Country Safe and There trying...JoeC If It Makes OUR Country Safe and There trying to KILL Us Whats Your Point!<br /><br />Just For MY Own info These Circus Trials For Terrorist According to You will Show the World How Great OUR System is! What If these TERRORIST are Found "Not Guilty"! Holder Already as Said WE Will NOT Release Them! That would Show the World What? Shows these TRIAL are for One Purpose " Political Payback" Period!<br /><br /> JoeC You Gotta Calm Down a Bit I was Using Example with Families of Terrorist BUT as Usual YOU DONT GET IT! <br />If Those Methods were GOOD Enough for Pelosi there GOOD Enough For ME!ALnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-20099457563547146112010-02-05T08:31:21.504-05:002010-02-05T08:31:21.504-05:00Al, its already in the thread....
"JoeC said...Al, its already in the thread....<br /><br />"JoeC said... <br />Chris, treating the alledged terrorist as a criminal is the leagl way to do things and the same way that the Bush Justice Dept. did things with foreign citizen Richard Reid (shoebomber). Richard reaid was read his Miranda rights atleast four times. <br /><br />Here's a thoughtful articulate piece on why the constitutional rights of our country apply. <br /><br />http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/01/collins/index.html<br />04 February, 2010 08:32" <br /><br /><br />Technically Your completely wrong. Well, your just plain wrong. Nice to see you don't know the constitution or Scotus decisions concerning it. <br /><br />By my standards what???? whats this BS your suggesting? Stop making stuff up. By my standards parents aren't allowed to do harsh interrogations including but not limited to sleep deprevation, waterboarding, stress positions, wall slamming, use of canines as threats. I mean all stuff we know that works well with our kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-10343210759814115992010-02-04T22:27:20.974-05:002010-02-04T22:27:20.974-05:00JoeC Just Couple Little Thingys U.S. Constitutio...JoeC Just Couple Little Thingys U.S. Constitution Protects a Foregn TERRORIST,Im Still Reading, If You Can Point OUT What Article thats in PLEASE Let Me KNOW!<br /> <br /> Technically If Your AMERICAN CITIZEN You are Considered Innocent Until Proven Guilty Problem Being What State in THIS Country Was He Born IN? OH Hes Not Citizen OOPs<br /><br /> If Interrogation Involved Enhanced Methods I have NO Problem with it to PROTECT OUR Citizens and After ALL if PELOSI Was Advised BY CIA of Methods and Gave her APPROVAL How COULD I Disapprove! <br /><br />Hey JoeC Another Thing. You Might be on to Something! We Can Send OUR Military into the CAVES and Find the TERRORIST Parents, Wonder if THATS Been Tried YET! Hell By Your Standards Parents Would NOT be Able to Even SPANK Them OUCH!ALnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-52532005691327909252010-02-04T21:40:28.119-05:002010-02-04T21:40:28.119-05:00Al, So your upset that we didn't torture him t...Al, So your upset that we didn't torture him then i take it? <br /><br />Yes, i consider using a suspects family as a wedge or as a voice of reason as a method. Only a fool wouldn't. Its part of larger set of tactics. <br /><br />I use the word alleged because until he's found guilty of something, whether by US court or even a military tribunal he's still technically only accused of a crime. He's not been convicted. <br /><br />yeah Al the road is paved to hell with good intentions. Only i see the willful violation of the constitution for the purpose of security as the last bridge to the devils door. So you finish blacktopping the last little bit and i'll join ya there soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-57732173976166406612010-02-04T18:18:53.051-05:002010-02-04T18:18:53.051-05:00JoeC As John said DADDY Made him DO it and I Wou...JoeC As John said DADDY Made him DO it and I Would Imagine Somewhere Along the Line WE will Hear the TERM "PLEA BARGIN"! If You Call Daddy Getting Involved "Method" and ALSO Use the Term "ALLEDGED" than I Know You FEEL GOOD! I Guess all Those Citizens on the Airplane Over Reacted When This Guys Under Ware Started on Fire! Happens All the Time on Aircraft!<br /><br /> How Do We Fight Terrorism JoeC Make Nice? If Water Boarding and Slamming Terrorist Into WALLS is Neeeded to Save Citizens Lifes, You Gotta DO Whats Needed! Making NICE with Terrorist WHOs Daddys AINT There WILL KILL Citizens,To Prove what Point JoeC?<br /><br /> Cemeteries Are Full of People With GOOD Intentsions NUMBER!JoeC SO Why ADD to the NUMBER! <br /><br />Nobama Administration Has Finally Found Something to BE Transparent About, Unfortunately its OUR Security!ALnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-10992165126916677692010-02-04T17:29:00.923-05:002010-02-04T17:29:00.923-05:00John, are you upset that the carrot worked? Does t...John, are you upset that the carrot worked? Does that ruin things for you that we didn't use multiple waterboardings or repeated slamming into walls?<br /><br />The fact is the methods worked. the FBI used them, they worked and he is providing information without harsh interrogations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-52303667297898885952010-02-04T12:56:45.269-05:002010-02-04T12:56:45.269-05:00FAILk espousing Olbuttman and MadCow as fair and b...FAILk espousing Olbuttman and MadCow as fair and balanced ... HAR HAR HAR!! LOL<br /><br />What is FAILk going to watch for his Obummer Propaganda when Olbuttman and MadCow are cancelled just like AirAmerica?!! LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-68676204757856654562010-02-04T12:54:17.116-05:002010-02-04T12:54:17.116-05:00I sure hope we never capture an enemy combatant wh...I sure hope we never capture an enemy combatant who doesn't have any family. Then we will never get any information out of him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-56050103830829800132010-02-04T11:08:24.407-05:002010-02-04T11:08:24.407-05:00JoeC why are you being a racist? You neo-cons are ...JoeC why are you being a racist? You neo-cons are all the same. I think what they did to that black boy was wrong. They withheld medical care so he would talk. That is no different then torture. The only reaso you people aren't saying anything about that is because he is black. The FBI is a bunch of racist that love to torture people of color. I have brought up this point to many and it is getting looked into. Chris you seem to be an upstanding man for posting those videos.Jay-Neyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09750826070107802852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-7439177030479596022010-02-04T09:32:16.430-05:002010-02-04T09:32:16.430-05:00he saw a thing on the rightwing media darling Jame...he saw a thing on the rightwing media darling James O Keefe. Guess he likes to hangout at white supremist conventions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-84703212872910434512010-02-04T09:15:35.229-05:002010-02-04T09:15:35.229-05:00Chris, where did Eric Holder say he screwed up? I...Chris, where did Eric Holder say he screwed up? I haven't seen that anywhere. I think Holder did exactly the right thing by holding the KSM trial in New York.<br /><br />Maybe there are some practical reasons, such as security, for holding the trial elsewhere, but it does belong in a civil trial court.<br /><br />Your point of view, is exactly wrong. As you saw in the videos, the reason why Mutalab's parents cooperated in getting their son to talk is they knew he'd be treated fairly by the Americans. Why did they think that? Because they know America is a place where everyone gets justice, innocent until proven guilty, you know, all those things you were taught in school about what makes America a great country.<br /><br />I hope your eyes are opening to the lies that have been pushed down your throat, but I'm not going to hold my breath. <br /><br />I'm sure you'll be back to calling me a liar and all manner of other names later today.Bruce Fealkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15134820420899225811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-39631916021781917322010-02-04T09:11:48.979-05:002010-02-04T09:11:48.979-05:00Holy Batman. I think we've had a breakthrough...Holy Batman. I think we've had a breakthrough, Chris. I have to give you some credit for posting the videos from Countdown and Rachel Maddow. <br /><br />I think you will find, also, that Rachel and Keith, even though they may not align with you philosophically, as I've said many times, do have on credible guests that speak to the lies of the Republican party and how people like you, Chris, and the other readers of this blog, are having the wool pulled over your eyes. <br /><br />Fox may be the "most trusted" news organization, but that trust is misplaced. On numerous occasions, in fact on a daily basis, it is demonstrably provable, that they lie to the American people. If a story doesn't fit their narrative, then they don't air it. That's why they cut away from the President's meeting with the House Republican caucus last week. <br /><br />President Obama was appearing reasonable and measured, not the wild-eyed communist Fox News makes him out to be on a daily basis.Bruce Fealkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15134820420899225811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-13750026793317743162010-02-04T08:59:56.305-05:002010-02-04T08:59:56.305-05:00JoeC When Reid was Charged with trying to BLOW up ...JoeC When Reid was Charged with trying to BLOW up AIRCRAFT in 2001, Dont Believe they had in PLACE Any other Remedy other than Civilan Court!<br /><br /> Times Have Changed and TERRORIST in CIVILAN COURTS Get EXACTLY What they WANT! WORLD WIDE PLATFORM and RECRUITMENT TOOL!<br /><br /> Once Again ASK Relatives of Military and Civilians Captured by TERRORIST and then FOUND DEAD in Shallow GRAVES or BEHEADED on VIDEO and SHOWED Around the WORLD as a RECRUITMENT TOOL!ALnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-77237342722946561002010-02-04T08:32:39.844-05:002010-02-04T08:32:39.844-05:00Chris, treating the alledged terrorist as a crimin...Chris, treating the alledged terrorist as a criminal is the leagl way to do things and the same way that the Bush Justice Dept. did things with foreign citizen Richard Reid (shoebomber). Richard reaid was read his Miranda rights atleast four times. <br /><br />Here's a thoughtful articulate piece on why the constitutional rights of our country apply. <br /><br />http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/01/collins/index.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-3968003555199583162010-02-04T08:16:16.872-05:002010-02-04T08:16:16.872-05:00AL Great point. They only want to be transparent w...AL Great point. They only want to be transparent with military and national security issues. Not with the things that they are enginering behind out backs.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12905362327313044045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-41197423634490969742010-02-04T08:14:26.432-05:002010-02-04T08:14:26.432-05:00Bruce why has Eric Houlder said he screwed up with...Bruce why has Eric Houlder said he screwed up with this one if it isn't true? That just doesn't make sense.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12905362327313044045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-15895898899638984632010-02-04T08:13:29.283-05:002010-02-04T08:13:29.283-05:00Bruce No Transparentsy IN Congress and NOW Nothi...Bruce No Transparentsy IN Congress and NOW Nothing BUT Transparentsy Regarding Info Obtained From Under Ware Bomber! I Guess ALL this Info Being PUT Out By Administration will HELP Some Body,The Terrorist!<br /> <br /> Politics Involved in National Security! Thought thats What Libs BLAMED Bush About!<br /><br /> Presidents Advise Yesterday DONT Watch TV for Information! How Many TIMES has This President Used TV to Advance HIS Agenda!ALnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-20638592473976945132010-02-04T08:12:54.997-05:002010-02-04T08:12:54.997-05:00I put up the video's that Bruce was talking ab...I put up the video's that Bruce was talking about. I am not afraid of the truth unlike the liberals. If the Republicans are giving false information then we conservatives need to hold them to the same flames we hold Democrats. We are not like the progressives as we should lie to get what we want. If Maddow and Olbermann are right about this then we need to stand by the truth no matter who is saying the truth. But if they are lieing we need to point out their lies. They have been cought in may untruths in the past and that is why their numbers are so low. There is a reason why CNN,ABC and MSNBC are by far less trusted then Fox News and the polls prove it. But that doesn't mean they are always wrong. Even a blind squirel finds a nut once in a while.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12905362327313044045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-77477630962717827592010-02-04T08:03:34.624-05:002010-02-04T08:03:34.624-05:00Bruce Truth is Defendable! I Understand that I...Bruce Truth is Defendable! I Understand that If Daddy had not Convinced Underware Bomber to talk he would have Remained Silent! Dont Know Why that was not tried With the Five that will be Featured in Holders Circus Trials!<br /> It Does Show the Weakness in OUR Justice System Money,Cause NOW theres Going to Probablly be a PLEA and Maybe Some Day You Can SIT Next to this Guy the NEXT Time HE Flies and YOU Can Discuss JUSTICE System with HIM!<br /><br />Bruce You DO Have a SENSE of Humor MadCow and Overbite as Your SOURCE! Bruce COMMON SENSE, Stop Look and Listen and the Truth Shall Come to You and it WILL Bounce of YOU!ALnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-24566578816592994042010-02-04T07:18:05.511-05:002010-02-04T07:18:05.511-05:00Thanks Bruce for cutting out the middle man and le...Thanks Bruce for cutting out the middle man and letting us hear what you think through Maddow and Olbortmann. I know you just take their word for what they say but they don't have a good reputation. I would like to know what anyone else has to say about the accusations that it's all Bush's fault that the undiebomber attacked. And it is the Republicans fault and the Democrats were just helpless victoms.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12905362327313044045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-67950297182319541802010-02-04T07:14:13.092-05:002010-02-04T07:14:13.092-05:00Bruce so they pointed out that Obama is just anoth...Bruce so they pointed out that Obama is just another Bush. Why aren't you upset that Obama is making the same dumb mistakes? And they only have half truths in their coverage of it. The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush learned from his mistakes. Obama want to make the same mistakes Bush made and you on the left where up in arms about it. Why aren't you as upset with Obama as you were with Bush? The Republicans did get made at Bush don't forget.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12905362327313044045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-40443411404194704092010-02-04T03:46:11.620-05:002010-02-04T03:46:11.620-05:00John, I saw that exchange with Roger Ailes, head o...John, I saw that exchange with Roger Ailes, head of the Fox Propaganda network. He's a complete tool of the Republican party and he knows he's lying about everything.<br /><br />He has NO credibility.Bruce Fealkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15134820420899225811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-81967987136327346502010-02-04T03:44:23.620-05:002010-02-04T03:44:23.620-05:00The Christmas Underwear bomber Republican narrativ...The Christmas Underwear bomber Republican narrative is complete BS.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/35226648#35226648" rel="nofollow">Ex-CIA agent Jack Rice discusses Christmas Underwear bomber</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/35227215#35227215" rel="nofollow">Senator Susan Collins has a complete line of BS on the Christmas Underwear bomber</a>Bruce Fealkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15134820420899225811noreply@blogger.com