tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post6291392192402855299..comments2024-03-23T05:55:29.759-04:00Comments on Bonsai from the Right: Is Health Care a Right?Chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12905362327313044045noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-4652489667690958782010-03-11T12:03:52.805-05:002010-03-11T12:03:52.805-05:00i think thats a great idea.i think thats a great idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-2938563868236439902010-03-11T08:11:31.848-05:002010-03-11T08:11:31.848-05:00Joe -
Paul Ryan had a good idea that I read the o...Joe -<br /><br />Paul Ryan had a good idea that I read the other day: whatever contractor gets a government contract cannot lobby the government for the duration of the contract. I thought that was a great idea. I guess we'll have to wait until Nov. to see if anything will happen with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-68474724201167889002010-03-11T04:45:57.495-05:002010-03-11T04:45:57.495-05:00Cathy, no. i'm way to left to be one of those....Cathy, no. i'm way to left to be one of those. That's just my anarchist tendencies coming out.<br /><br />the reality is that if the federal government is going to control the money and through its bureaucracy fix the roads it would be one thing, but the current situation of gathering the spoils of our labor and then having a competition for the funds, through earmarks, grants...ect. is silly as hell. We still end up their bureaucracy and when it gets to the state level competing for the money we end up with another bureaucracy doing the work. <br /><br />Since the feds aren't giving up the purse strings and why would they its about power (both parties)it would be best to allocate a certain number of dollars for road and infrastructure repair a year and then dole it out per capita. each state gets so much per person. Lessen political earmark and lobbying issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-77890604519386675092010-03-10T19:46:04.818-05:002010-03-10T19:46:04.818-05:00Joe you sound like a Libertarian to me. Could that...Joe you sound like a Libertarian to me. Could that be right?Cathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-12038601117825095452010-03-10T19:08:44.286-05:002010-03-10T19:08:44.286-05:00Right on Joey. Hoisting a tall frosty to that!Right on Joey. Hoisting a tall frosty to that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-4944108494603614912010-03-10T18:32:58.252-05:002010-03-10T18:32:58.252-05:00John, as a citizen of Michigan i can agree with yo...John, as a citizen of Michigan i can agree with your views about tax redistribution. I hate seeing that we are gross payer and a net returnee. I don't think it sits well with you either. <br /><br />I'd be all for a return to the idea that states control their own destiny more. The idea of instituting national laws that constantly deride and attack the referendum of the states bothers me, such as Gay Marriage and medical Marijuana.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-65418485975876979782010-03-10T18:09:02.533-05:002010-03-10T18:09:02.533-05:00Hey Joey -
I'd just like to say, it's nic...Hey Joey -<br /><br />I'd just like to say, it's nice to see you making good arguments versus just dropping in to snark and then be off on your way. Sincerely, I know you could probably read this as sarcasm, but it is sincere. Folks that write in here are for the most part just looking for a good honest discussion. I can't speak for anyone else, but I appreciate it when you provide that. God knows we don't get anything like that from FAILk, so excuse me when my brain turns to mush for lack of "exercise".<br /><br />With regards to your "forefathers" remark, I think you are confusing Paul with Mark?<br /><br />In response to your question to me, I don't believe you "earn" your rights. We all have inherent rights that, I have to disagree with Paul a little here, we have even before we are born. I have the right to my life, and to live my life as I choose it. Let's not get into another monster abortion debate, but I feel women have the right to do whatever with their bodies, until they have another person living inside their womb. For instance, If you can prosecute someone for murdering a baby because he punches a pregnant woman in the stomach and she miscarries, yet that same woman at the same gestation could go get an abortion legally ... there's something wrong there.<br /><br />Now, with regards to your Madison argument, I have the right to life, and to property, and to defend that property. The government does not give me that right. What I create, or earn honestly, is mine to do with as I see fit. The government has no right to it any more than they would have the right to come into my house and take food out of my fridge and eat it.<br /><br />Now, I really think we need to break the discussion down into what the Federal Government is allowed to do, versus State and Community Governments. There used to be no federal income tax, right? That, to me, is how it should be. There is no reason for the federal government to tax us, take our money, and then re-distribute it to the states.<br /><br />Well, this friggin thing is getting too long again. Wish I could get to the point better. Anyway, let me just say, things like roads should be paid for by those who use them. Nothing exemplifies this more than the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere". I say make highways toll roads and surface roads based on use. Privatize them. That's my opinion. Government should NOT be in the business of business, or of picking winners and losers. Just leads to all kinds of problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-58783480023961387082010-03-10T13:53:46.080-05:002010-03-10T13:53:46.080-05:00Paul, i know that clearly you could have done bett...Paul, i know that clearly you could have done better, because after all you tell us who your forefathers are...<br /><br />3. The use of slavery was more for the negative image than for the plausibilty of the argument. No one is advocating any system of you working entirely for free to pay for another. The author knows this and i believe you do too. <br /><br />4. Since clearly we have systems in place that benefit us all and that we wouldn't wish to remove, we could add another that would benefit the nation without being overly burdensome on its citizens. <br /><br />Assuredly we could do with some reforms in our spending to better keep our budget, but the thiought that we could provide for all in a world were those who don't pay into the system already tax the system and drive our costs up is noble enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-49102442802581333842010-03-10T13:42:14.074-05:002010-03-10T13:42:14.074-05:00John,
1. Madison was very clear that some rights...John, <br /><br />1. Madison was very clear that some rights are a mandate from the government, not the creator. This stems from the idea of the social contract. <br /><br />"The personal right to acquire property, which is a natural right, gives to property, when acquired, a right to protection, as a social right." James Madison<br /><br />2. By current republican dogma i am referring to the conservative ideologue stance about rights being only God given, and dismissing social rights.We know that most of the conservatives here follow that ill chosen belief. And we have had this discussion before. <br /><br />3. i am not saying that. I am saying that this wise and distinguished scholar attacked a belief poorly and even questioned some of yours and the blogs its on belief. <br /><br />4. Where do you stand on the earning of rights. Clearly to believe most of this piece you'd have to buy into the fact that rights can be earned, so do you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-67470461945075115872010-03-10T12:39:19.323-05:002010-03-10T12:39:19.323-05:00The government doesn't give us our rights, we ...The government doesn't give us our rights, we give our government its "rights". Come on now, Joey, where does Madison say that the government can stipulate what our rights are? A tyrranical government can for sure.<br /><br />I'm not even sure what you mean about "under the current republican dogma". Are you talking about the party or the system of government?<br /><br />I really have to agree with Paul on this one. Very well put Paul.<br /><br />Joey, are you saying that health care is indeed a right?<br /><br />And let's try to keep this clear, if we can; please distinguish between health INSURANCE and health CARE people! I am perfectly able to take care of my own health, just like everyone else is. But I'll be damned if my tax dollars go to Comrade FAILk's emphysema from smoking, or his tummy tuck because he's a hippo from eating Twinkies all day long and washing them down with Yoo-hoos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-12222148591463833132010-03-10T12:01:26.820-05:002010-03-10T12:01:26.820-05:00JoeC's argument, oops I mean opinion, regardin...JoeC's argument, oops I mean opinion, regarding Health Care vs. Rights were destroyed previously from another article I posted a few months ago. It appears time has done nothing to improve his position.<br /><br />1. You are correct, natural rights aren't earned, they are granted to you at birth. <br />Government grants you no rights; they are simply formed to protect your God-given/Natural rights.<br /><br />2. Rights don't infringe on another, people do. Please give an example where natural rights infringe on someone else.<br /><br />3. "the slavery thing is just stupid." Wow, there's a powerful retort. The slavery analogy is a perfect example in regard to the issue of health care. What would you call it when someone is forced to provide services to another without just compensation? <br /><br />4. Classic fallacious argument. Because we already have a system in place that is poorly administered, inefficient and funded by only a portion of the population, let's start another one.<br /><br />5. Except that not everyone pays in to the system. It's a well known fact that certain segments of the population are obtaining goods and services without paying for them. This fact is indisputable.<br /><br />Other than that, JoeC made some good points. The funniest thing about his comments is that were supposed to believe the ramblings of a partisan hack on an internet blog vs. the words of an esteemed, honored scholar. One that actually used facts and logic to make his points.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01704932939972619675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-62703970482058265852010-03-10T11:56:45.771-05:002010-03-10T11:56:45.771-05:00Does the Constitution Give the Right To Politicans...Does the Constitution Give the Right To Politicans To Take From One Citizen and Give to Another or "Redistribution of Wealth"!<br /><br />The Constitution Does Give the DUTY to Goverment to Protect Citizens From Foreign or Domestic Threats. Standing Army,Police and Fire!<br /><br /> Bottom Line I Read Recently if You Rob Peter to Pay Paul What Happens When There Are More Pauls Recieving than Peters Who Are Giving! With the Deficit and Lack of Job Creation its a Possibility and Than Whom Pays For Big Government. If Middle Class Does NOT Think Tax Man Will Be Coming to PAY for All This,Than They Are Blind To The Facts!<br /><br /> Administration Apperars to Want Our Nation to Take After Most Europian Nations and There Form of Government and How are The Doing? Citizens Have Never been Required to Be Like Anyone. Nation was Not Built into The Greatest Country EVER on This Planet Wanting to Be Like Anyone Else MOST Certainly Not EUROPE!ALnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-8244936838700250382010-03-10T11:23:29.683-05:002010-03-10T11:23:29.683-05:00Healthcare is no more a right than is marriage..bo...Healthcare is no more a right than is marriage..both are privileges afforded those of us in society who understand that we are also required to put forth some effort in achieving those things.<br /><br />Further, when Jesus talks about helping the poor in Matthew 25, he's referring to charity, which is giving OF ONE'S OWN HEART to help someone else. Taxation (ie Universal Health Care) is not charity. It is taxation.<br /><br />No, it's not a right.Into The Firehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742771723057163765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7705675907060089073.post-73671515488827827532010-03-10T10:46:30.077-05:002010-03-10T10:46:30.077-05:00The whole article is silly.
1. He discusses righ...The whole article is silly. <br /><br />1. He discusses rights that one earns. Rights are not earned, especially under the current republican dogma. Rights are granted two ways according to Jame Madison, either by a creator or by the advent of a government, but niether of them are earned. <br /><br />2. rights constantly infringe on each other. <br /><br />3. the slavery thing is just stupid.<br /><br />4. We already have a system in effect for the situation he discusses. Our roads are maintianed by the government, our police dept, fire dept, school system. Would we stop funding completely for our roads, fire depts..etc?<br /><br />5. the right to healthcare isn't about forcing the doctor or hospitals to pay for our healthcare needs but a situation similar to our roads. everyone pays in and we all benefit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com