Wednesday, December 2, 2009

30,000 More Troops To Afghanistan

Obama is following the Bush surge. But instead of sending between 60,000 and 40,000 more troops Obama is sending 30,000. It will take about 6 months to get the surge up and running and they need to also train a millitary that can't read(Afghan). We all know that that 18 month pull out was just to appease the left and to warn the Taliban to stay low for the next year and a half until we are gone. Now if I was the Taliban I would just hide for the next 2 years and then the abuse of women and the cutting off of heads can start again after America leaves. Other then those two item Obama didn't tell us much. The speech wasn't that good, but that is Bush's fault. When a President give mixed messages to the world then no one knows what is going on other then 30k more troops and and in 18 months we will pull out. We will pull out even though we need to win this war. We need to win this war or the Taliban will return and we will need to go back into Afghanisan to finish the job. To me it sounds half hearted. But at least he is trying to follow in Bush's footsteps with the surge. All in all the President is going in a little wishy washy but he is trying to do his best with this war in Afghanistan. This is a big moment for the President. Before this he has only organized a community and now he is an official warmonger to the left. What do you on the left,right and middle think about Obama's wishy washy speech?


  1. Chris, I'm sure you don't know this, but we don't have 60,000 troops left. As it is we only have 20,000 active duty soldiers left after the 30,000 additional soldiers are sent to Afghanistan.

    You don't understand the kind of country Afghanistan really is and why this is a disastrous direction for the United States. Russia had 500,000 troops in Afghanistan and still couldn't "win" their war in Afghanistan.

    Only 10% of Afghanistan is even literate. Their soldiers desert on a regular basis. There is no credible central government and no national unity. Afghanistan is a deeply tribal country.

    Whenever we leave, there will be a bloodbath, so what difference does it make if it happens now or 10 years from now.

    What is the end point, Chris? Define victory in Afghanistan.

  2. Wow, Bruce Fealk, Afghanistan expert. Bruce, why don't you just provide a link to where you copied your information from

    Bruce, your relatively short comment is so packed full of lies, I will leave it to you to provide documenting evidence. Your 500,000 number is a total fabrication, for instance. Not to mention the Soviets were essentially fighting against Pakistan, the U.S., the U.K., etc., who provided assistance to the mujahideen. Even I know that, and I'm not claiming to be an expert. Idiot Bruce.

    Hey Bruce, if Obama hadn't dithered and, excuse my French, FUCKED AROUND so much, the troops would have been halfway through this surge, maybe even starting to draw down. You and the rest of you idiotic Democrats are looking to lose this war any way you can.

    God, Bruce, you are THE biggest idiot I have ever encountered, bar none.

  3. Bruce thank you for the update on active troop levels. McCrystal said he needed between 60,000 and 40,000 more troops to win the war in Afghanistan in a timely matter. I have studied up on Afghanistan and it's history. I also know the Talibans role in the terror networks. What Obama needs to do is get the world involved in this war to end it sooner then later. Obama also opened to door to a war in Pakistan if he so chooses. Victory would be a UN helping fight this war in Afghanistan. Getting the Taliban our and a democracy in Afghanistan. If we leave now we will have the opium lords and the Taliban in a civil war. We all know Obama is being unrealistic in his time table to win the war. So what is Obama? Does he truly want to win the war? Or does he want to appease the right for 18 months and then appease the left after 18 months? First he said we must win the war in Afghanisan. And then in the next sentance he said we must start leaving the war in 18 months. He has spent 8 months quizing himself on the war and he sound like he still doesn't have a clue. I say he was quizing himself because he sure as hell didn't spend much time quizing his generals. I see that the liberals are all up in arm with the president. I hope the death treats don't start riasing because of his stand on the wars. We should take bets on when the liberals will start rioting and destroying things because of the war. I think the left is ripe for unrest if you ask me. Now that they are the laughingstock for believing all the fake reports put out about "Global Warming". It must piss the left off to no end knowing that God is in contol of the weather not them.

  4. So far Obama and the Democrats have given us a record deficit spending of over $1.4 trillion. They have done more deficit spending in less then 1 yr then all the presidents before Obama put together. That is from Washington to G.W.Bush. And now he want to add health care to make it even worse. But that is Ok because they will only tax the rich for healthcare,the war and whatever else they can think of. It sucks to be a business with the Democrats in office. I can't wait for the big environmental tax coming our way. But like JoeC said. He wants health care for everyone as long as he doesn't have to pay for it. Isn't that righteously nice and careing of him and our liberal buddies?lol. Do you guys remember when Bruce gave a $1 to an organization and then bragged about it? Those were the good old days on the Oakland Press blogs. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA

  5. After a week of media ridicule over Barack Obama calling everything he does from flushing the Oval Office toilet to sneering at the press “unprecedented,” he wisely did not use that word in front of West Point graduates — soldiers who have been trained to repel the invading hordes of British soldiers, fight a Civil War, two world wars, etc.

    Nonetheless, there was an interesting word choice used by one of Obama’s sycophants in the media. NewsBusters notes Chris Matthews of MSNBC referred to West Point as “the enemy camp.” Matthews said, “He went to maybe the enemy camp tonight to make his case. I mean, that’s where Paul Wolfowitz used to write speeches for, back in the old Bush days. That’s where he went to rabble rouse the “we’re going to democratize the world” campaign back in ‘02. So, I thought it was a strange venue.”

    And this is where the left get their news. Thank God they are loosing viewers in record numbers and Fox News is picking them up.

  6. Barack Obama spoke at West Point tonight on the issue of Afghanistan. In 4608 words, he did not once mention the word “victory” and the closest he came to using the word “win” was those three letters appearing in the word “withdrawing.”

    True to form, Obama spent most of his speech decrying the Bush administration going into Iraq. He said — a lie — that “Commanders in Afghanistan repeatedly asked for support to deal with the reemergence of the Taliban, but these reinforcements did not arrive.” The historic record shows that George Bush never denied commanders in Afghanistan the support they requested.

    The historic record shows that Barack Obama is not even granting McChrystal the General’s preferred troop level. McChrystal wanted 40,000 troops to 80,000 troops. So Bush gave the Generals in Afghanistan everything they wanted, despite Obama saying he did not, and Obama is not giving his General what was requested, despite claiming he is.

    The historic record also shows that Barack Obama, despite his denials tonight, very clearly dithered on General McChrystal’s request, waiting more than ninety days to make a decision and prolonging action for at least another thirty days — mischaracterizing McChrystal’s request in an effort to save face and, yet again, defend himself from Dick Cheney.

    That Obama even had to say “there has never been an option before me that called for troop deployments before 2010, so there has been no delay or denial of resources necessary for the conduct of the war” is proof of just how powerful and resonate Dick Cheney is. How many times now has Dick Cheney gotten the best of Barack Obama? I’ve lost count.

    The man who publicly opposed the surge in Iraq is now committing to a surge in Afghanistan, while still attacking the policy in Iraq. The key part of the Iraq strategy that Obama is attacking was the open ended surge in Iraq (nevermind that Obama refuses to use the word “surge”).

    Proving yet again that he is a rank amateur, Obama intends to have a surge of 30,000 troops in Afghanistan, but concurrently announce the timeline for their withdrawal. This is akin to announcing to burglars exactly the time at which you intend to depart your house and also announcing you intend to turn off the burglar alarm. Al Qaeda will just wait us out. They’ll only need to wait a year. The men who spent years planning 9/11 are more patient than this President who wants instant gratification in a never ending campaign.

    And that is, at the end of the day, what this was — not the speech of a Commander-in-Chief to his troops, but a campaign speech at time of falling poll numbers because of his dithering, trying to blame the other guy.

    Only, there is no other guy now. There is only Barack Obama. A man who sees no special role for America in the world and a moral equivalence between good and evil.

    Note this curious line from Obama’s speech:

    And we must make it clear to every man, woman and child around the world who lives under the dark cloud of tyranny that America will speak out on behalf of their human rights, and tend to the light of freedom, and justice, and opportunity, and respect for the dignity of all peoples. That is who we are. That is the moral source of America’s authority.

    Notice he is actually saying we will do nothing. We will talk and we will keep the light on — the policy equivalent of operating a Motel 6. Our President views the nation as he is himself — a smooth talker with no actual action. Barack Obama wants an America that talks a good game, but won’t actually get its hands dirty.

    Lastly, Barack Obama said, “We have not always been thanked for these efforts, and we have at times made mistakes.” What mistakes exactly? And why tell our soldiers that, in essence, they have made mistakes?

  7. In the years after 9/11, George Bush made sure no terrorist attacks have occurred on American soil. The naive fool who replaced him seems to think the preferable policy is to preemptively announce we have no ambition for victory while broadcasting the code for the burglar alarm.

    Since taking office, Barack Obama’s casualty count is nearly DOUBLE that of George Bush’s worst year as Commander in Chief. God help our troops. It’s amateur hour still at the White House.

  8. Bruce,Joe and vomamike, when is the war protest? I know you are against the war and you protested Bush for the wars. You guys should be the first one to protest so you can lead the sheeple to the liberal promised land. Start a real grassroots movement like the Tea Party rallies. I know we would all love to see pictures of that group. Hey Bruce maybe you could get back the paper mache mongaloid head and darken up the skin and hair and you will be a hero to the left again. Bwaaahahahahaha. But at least no one will call you a hypocrit.

  9. Bruce Your number of only having 20,000 active duty TROOPS left is Interesting.

    You kind of FORGOT OUR Troops in Germeny,Japan,Spain and South Korea. I do beleive that MOST of those Troops should be Relocated Either back to Stateside or where NEEDED. Up to 60 years in some COUNTRYS is a Little Much. Where in the HELL is that Great U.N. at when WE need them.The U.N. is not OUR freind and should be ECORTED off OUR property lets say to France!

  10. AL I feel the same way about the UN. They took advatage of America and our military. Russia needs to send as many troops as we di into Afghanistan as they are the ones that will recieve most of the benifites.

  11. Chris, the war protest is this afternoon at 4 p.m. at the Federal Building. Join us.

    There will be over 100 anti-war protests today across the country.

  12. Thank you for letting us know. Did you hear that the 18 month pullout is contingent? Thank you for the invite. I'm still on the fence a littlw with the Obama/Bush surge. I agree we need to win the war but lets be real on the timetable and the costs of it. Will 30,000 more troops be enough? It's good to see you guys stand up for your beliefs. Are you going to take pictures of it? Are you guys calling for Obama, the warlords empeachment? I'll sign that one.

  13. Bruce I do have a lot of liberal readers so feel free to give us updates on the anti-war protests.

  14. Try to be a peaceful demonstration Bruce. Last thing Detroit needs is your version of a G20 riot. Not that anyone would notice in that Democratic-controlled waste-land.

    That 100 people, is that you counting those with extra chromosomes as two people, or is that how a normal person counts?


  15. Why Bruce, why do you want to stop the war? You are an idiot. You should see the sick things they do at their protests.

  16. Tea Baggers Protest,SUNNY SKYS!

    LIBS Protest,RAIN,just like there Agenda although holding it in Detroit should give them first hand KNOWLEDGE of HOW great their Programs WORK and how they have REALLY made it BETTER for the POOR. One day the POOR will realize that the LIBS have held them BACK and then what LIBS. A Educated Voting BLOCK and YOUR worse NIGHTMARE come TRUE!

  17. I can't wait to here how the protest went. I do respect them more knowing they are protesting. But lets see how many show up and if the media covers it. Fox will cover it but I bet none of the other networks do anything or little on it.

  18. About 150 people showed up along with the media. The Detroit News, Detroit Free Press, Fox, and WDIV were there with trucks. I would expect coverage at 10 p.m. on Fox and 11 on WDIV.

    I'll have video and pictures on my blog,

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  20. Wow 150 people in this kind of weather is real good. How did everyone know about the protest so fast? A senior Army strategist says President Barack Obama plans to conduct nothing more than an "ink spot" strategy in the war in Afghanistan.

    Speaking last night to the nation from the U.S. Military Academy, President Barack Obama said the war in Afghanistan is not lost and officially announced that he will send another 30,000 U.S. troops to fight it. The first new U.S. forces will join the fight by Christmas, he said, adding that U.S. forces will begin coming home in July 2011.

    Lt. Col. Bob Maginnis (USA-Ret.) disagrees with the administration's plan, arguing that a counterinsurgency operation cannot be conducted using an "ink spot" strategy.

    "They're going to select key cities like Kandahar and Kabul to bring security to them, and then develop them with the intent to turn over security of those 'ink spot' secure areas to the Afghan security force," he explains. "[In doing so] you've surrendered most of the country to the Taliban."

    The Pentagon advisor does not think it is wise to set any timeline for a troop pullout. "The Taliban knows the timeline -- and so all they have to do is to go to the safe havens that are all over the country, much less Pakistan, and to sit this one out," Maginnis laments. "I think that's fundamentally the flaw of this plan."

    Maginnis says clearly Afghanistan is now Obama's war -- and if, despite what the president says, it becomes another Vietnam, the president and his party will pay the consequences.

  21. Chris, it wasn't like it was an surprise. It has been clear for weeks that President Obama was going to increase troop numbers in Afghanistan.

  22. I just have a BAD feeling WHEN the Politics get to thick in Military matters. Thats What Happened in Korean War and Vietnam all Political Controlled and both LOST!I am Not saying get out ALTHOUGH it is on my MIND but WE should either Crap or get off the POT. Our Young Military Men/Women making the Sacrifices CAN never be LOST and then WE say We SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE!

  23. Al, are you saying that the military should have unfettered permission to call for more troops without review by the Commander-in-Chief or that the Commander-in-Chief should just be a rubber stamp like George W. Bush was for whatever the commanders in the field asked for?

    That is idiotic. Field commanders always want more troops. Where is your call for fiscal responsibility when it comes to war?

    How is this war being paid for in blood and treasure? The treasure is all borrowed from the Chinese.

    You conservatives make me laugh. When it's war, money is not a problem. When it's saving lives of our own people, you always say it costs too much.

    It was your hero, George W. Bush, that walked away from Afghanistan and walked away from capturing or killing Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora.

  24. Rubber stamp. That is so funny Bruce. Bush did the surge in Iraq against many opin. He didn't rubber stamp anything. But he did hire generals to run a war and they had a lot more knowlege of the subject of war. Obama thinks he knows better then his generals even though all he's ever done is community organizing in Chitown. Why all the sudden to you Bruce care about fiscal responsibility? Obama has run us into a larger deficit then all of our presidents put together. So stop with the fake BS about you wanting to be fiscaly responsible. When it is war money and our troops live we want to protect them Bruce. You think of our troops like Matt Lawer does, the enemy. You liberals don't care about killing babies or soldiers. You do care about the money we spend out there though. How sick you libs are. For once do what is right for our soldiers. And stop calling them murderers.

  25. Bruce Never said Rubber Stamp. Did say Politics have NEVER won a WAR! Please refer to Vietnam! Be advised Military is are People!

    Bruce the Treasury MIGHT be China but the BLOOD is from OUR Military Treasury the Young people on the Front Lines!

    Never said ANYTHING about Spending YOU did take OFF your Spiderman Glasses and get back into the LIGHT!

    I do say that when Milirary Generals request more personnel that there SHOULD be a response within Thirty Days!

    Bruce when your talking MONEY for the WAR as YOU did, you ARE talking Politics cause Congress as far as I know CONTROL the FUNDING and they are indeed Politicans!

    Bruce just to RATTLE your Memory was not Clinton offered Bin Laden in the 90s but for some reason turned DOWN the Country that actually had him in Custody? Some Leagalities OH just like the Circus getting ready to start in New York City another Great LIB Call and it does show LIBS dont change there Stripes!

  26. Chris, Bush rubber stamped the generals. When ever they said they needed more troops, he gave them more troops, without much of a thought. Of course, Bush having a thought is kind of funny in itself.

    So, why are you worried about paying for health care, but not worried about paying for war? I still don't understand your supposed Christianity, your supposed compassion for other human beings, but you don't give a damn about people dying from war, at least not innocent civilians. Unless in your mine every Iraqi and every Afghani is evil. That must be it.

    Actually putting people on trial, in a Federal court is a show? That's actually how our legal system is supposed to work, Al, instead of kangaroo courts like military tribunals where the rules of evidence are rigged against the defendant, you know, like Russia and Cuba and other Communist countries and banana republics.

    The Interview: Rachel Maddow is joined by former Bush administration lawyer John Bellinger to talk about the coming 9/11 trials in New York City and the reasoning behind the Bush administration's approach to bringing terror suspects to justice.

  27. Bruce You Kind of Ignored my Post and it again appears that the TRUTH is INDEED a Libs Worst Nightmare!

    Bruce How come Holder says some Terrorist will be Tried in Military Courts after he Reviews Cases, Sounds like Pick and Choose to me and by your reasoning Holder SHOULD be held accountable for DOUBLE STANDARD! I was unaware that Federal Courts were a SHOW but those are your WORDS and I am Certain the Terrorist still out there will be laughing all the way to their NEXT Victims!
    I may stop asking you Questions Bruce cause you either Dont answer them or look in your REAR VIEW MIRROR which you seem to be Quite Comfortable with!


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