Thursday, December 24, 2009

Open thread


  1. A legal scholar says the Senate healthcare bill is not only stuffed full of racial quotas and preferences, but it also gives the disgraced liberal activist group ACORN opportunities to receive funding from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

    Harry Reid's (D-Nevada) "manager's amendment" in the Senate healthcare bill requires that six federal agencies each establish an "Office of Minority Health." Under that requirement, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is supposed to award grants and contracts to organizations that are "indigenous human resource providers in communities of color" and engage in "community outreach activities" -- the type of work ACORN says it has been doing for years.

    Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, says scandal-plagued ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now -- is exactly the kind of organization that will be applying for and receiving these federal funds.

    "It illustrates this wrong assumption that's all throughout this huge bill, and that is there are all these racial preferences and racial quotas everywhere in it," he explains. "There's this whole assumption by the left that the disparities in healthcare have to do with the racial background of doctors -- something that is completely untrue -- and it's these kinds of things that in fact may worsen healthcare across the country."

    Senator Roland Burris (D-Illinois) said earlier this month that he would filibuster the healthcare bill if it did not contain a public option. However, Burris now tells The Weekly Standard he was willing to support the Senate bill once the "disparity" provision was included in the manager's amendment (pages 240-248).

    According to The Weekly Standard, ACORN also stands to qualify for funding on page 150 of the amendment, which states that "community and consumer-focused nonprofit groups" may receive grants to "conduct public education activities to raise awareness of the availability of qualified health plans."

  2. First rule of fixing any process is that you must identify the REAL cause of the current problem. They didn't bother to do that. They say that ER usage will go down while those on current government insurance are the highest users of the ER. They don't address doctor shortages, they haven't considered that the more our out of pocket expenses go down the more the overall cost goes up, and they haven't addressed torte reform. They have made assumptions about what is causing the problem and, like everything else they do, their assumptions are wrong.

  3. Merry Christmas to all. Hope its a safe one.

  4. There not to the Finish line Yet!

    This Whole Proccess has Smelled from the outset and I have NO real answer for WHAT is the Hurry and WHY! There is a Reason for all this and it is NOT to Assist Citiizens or to Better Health Care!Administration has Thrown MANY Politicans under the BUS come November BUT that does NOT seem to Bother them or the Politicans.
    No real Debate,No Fixing of the Problems with Health Care and MILLIONS if this thing is Passed STILL with out Insurance! What they have if this Bill is Passed is Medicare/Medicade TIMES TEN and what will that FIX!
    This whole Proccess SMELLS of Big Government,another OUT of CONTROL Entitlement and evientually NO Private Sector Insurance and that is this Administrations GOAL,POWER?CONTROL!

  5. Al, what no Xmas wishes back????

  6. OOPS In a Hurry JoeC Happy X MAS aint it in this Family! However.


  7. Today the Senate of the United States voted on a constitutional point of order raised by Senators Jim DeMint and John Ensign.

    The Senators challenged the constitutionality of the individual mandate in the Democrats’ health care legislation. The individual mandate is a federally imposed requirement that every man, woman, and child in the United States obtain health insurance on pain of financial penalty or, in the Democrats’ proposal, jail.

    Put more plainly, if you chose not to have health insurance, the Congress of the United States intends to punish you by taking away your property or your life via incarceration.

    All 39 of the Republican Senators still present in Washington today voted that the individual mandate is unconstitutional.

    Let me repeat that — every Republican Senator still in Washington, D.C. today voted that it is unconstitutional to impose an individual mandate on the citizens of the United States.


    Well now ask yourself this: why would Bob Bennett, Lamar Alexander, Mike Crapo, Lindsey Graham, and Judd Gregg be co-sponsors of S.391, the Wyden-Bennett health care plan.

    The legislation, named for its chief sponsors Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Bob Bennett (R-UT), imposes an individual mandate on American citizens. Section 102 of the legislation is entitled “Individual Responsibility to Enroll in a Healthy Americans Private Insurance Plan.” The section outlines how the feds will punish you if you refuse to buy an insurance plan.

    In fact, that is precisely what Bennett, Alexander, Crapo, Graham, and Gregg today claimed was unconstitutional.

    Don’t be fooled by these Senators. Today they got to take a very safe vote and look good for the kids back home when in reality, were they in charge, they’d be doing the same thing. This is not leadership. This is a con.

  8. May God bless all your Christmas' and New Years.

  9. Merry Christmas my friends. These are the worst of times and the best of times so injoy them as neither times will last.

  10. Chris, if you haven't already come across this website, it's a great one:

    I always go down to the section called "Redstate Morning Briefing" every day. Today there is a good article called "I think I'd rather have a stocking of coal..." About the Constitution, and how the self-avowed (my words) "progressives" are turning us away from American exceptionalism to European middling. They're dumbing us down in order to have their fake utopia that Europe has never been able to grasp, no matter how much they spread the wealth and step all over people to create something they will never get.

    We, who understand the brilliance behind our Founding Fathers' thoughts in writing the Constitution, must never let the liberals take us down to the thinking of the Europeans. We must continue to believe in the American Dream - that hard work and never giving up will keep us strong and get us where we want to be.

    No matter how the left tries to destroy us in the next year, we can never accept their mentality that what happens to you is caused by outside forces (the rich, the evil insurance companies, etc). We conservatives have to stick to the American values that made us such an exceptional country - that our success is driven by US. That outside forces could knock us down here and there, but ultimately, each individual is in control of their own life and success.

    We have to all stay strong against the weak liberals in this country who want to "even the playing field" - something that is impossible. We're all given different circumstances and must work with what we're given to take us to the next level.

    One thing the liberals can never claim, that we can, is that the Founding Fathers are watching us and pushing us hard to protect what they worked so hard to set up for us.

  11. lmao.....

    the daily right wing talking points...

    and here i get told i get my marching orders from Move on or the union all the while anon acknowledges what i have suggested previously that the right just follows the TPS (talking points) of FR and RedState.

    Hypocrites. Think for yourself.

  12. Chris,this might be of interest to you and your many readers.Warm wishes from Guam this Christmas: Obamacare Bankrupting States
    by Kate Obenshain


    Sen. Ben Nelson’s “Cornhusker Kickback” for Nebraska may have given Harry Reid his coveted sixtieth vote, but it comes at a price for the other states, states that are already feeling the hammer of rising Medicaid costs.

    Just coming to light is a concern that has been giving governors heartburn for months: the fact that states are going to be hit with a monstrous financial burden with the passage of Obamacare, and none are in a position to handle it.

    President Barack Obama intoned ominously just last week that “the federal government will go bankrupt” unless his federal takeover of health care passes Congress. Few believe the rising costs resulting from this health care bill will be much of a protection against bankruptcy. One thing is for sure, though: passage of the health care bill with a massive expansion of Medicaid will bankrupt the states.

    Ohio spends 39 percent of its state budget a year on Medicaid. Massachusetts spends 27 percent. On average, states fork over 20 percent of their annual spending on this joint state-federal program that originally began to assist women and children in poverty and the disabled.

    Now Congress is considering the inclusion of a massive expansion of Medicaid in the Obamacare bill, one that will dump about 18 million Americans into a program that, according to a broad consensus, provides substandard medical coverage. Nelson claims he urged Sen. Reid to drop the Medicaid provision, but since that is the foundation for Reid’s bill, he isn’t going to do it. Hence Nelson’s sweetheart deal. Exempting Nebraska won’t kill the bill. Exempting all the states would.

    Who is going to get stuck with half the price tag? The states. Well, the states minus Nebraska. And probably Nevada, where Reid is trying desperately not to get the voters’ boot. Reid and other deal makers are trying to camouflage the impact, saying the federal government will pay more of a percentage for new enrollees, but within five years the responsibility would fall entirely on the states -- states which even now cannot meet their Medicaid responsibilities. Draft bills include a provision that in the event that the federal government cannot make its payments to the states, the states would be required to make up the difference.

    With new federal oversights, states will no longer be able to manage their own participation in Medicaid, such as setting standards for who is eligible for Medicaid. The feds will use the regulations to substitute its own judgment for the states on numerous issues, including on eligibility. As it stands now those making somewhere between 133 and 150 percent of the poverty level, or around $30,000 will become eligible.

    To gauge the impact of the new financial burden on states, take a look at New Hampshire. Currently, New Hampshire state government pays only for the children of Medicaid eligible families whose income is less than 66 percent of the federal poverty level. The health care bill would, at a minimum, double the income families could earn and still be eligible for Medicaid. Florida would see its Medicaid rolls grow to 4 million (from 2.6 million) at a cost of $1.6 billion.

    Dealing with the most severe economic crisis since the Great Depression, 48 states are already in the red -- in many cases due to their own profligacy -- and they expect to be facing even larger deficits next year.

    The Congressional Budget Office forecasted that the expansion of Medicaid would add about $37 billion to states’ expenses. How would states pay for the increased costs? Cut services, including education, and yes, increase tax.

  13. JoeC, I learned long ago that I can never fight the nanny-state mentality of you libs. I don't even try anymore. Go ahead, be a proud democrat who supports taking America down quite a few notches in your bid to have the productive take care of the non-productive. I'm just on here to discuss things with other conservative people.

    Come on JoeC - admit that the Founding Fathers are shaking their heads in disgust at people like you who embrace big government - something they fought so hard against.

    You know it. Admit that you're an embarrassment to all our ancestors who fought hard to support rugged individualism.

    Come on, come on, admit it....
    Please, just once, some liberal on here..... admit it.

    Won't happen, because people like you are the taxeaters, not the taxpayers. You can keep the destructive liberal mentality going in this country if you can keep more and more people dependent on the government.

    JoeC, you're pathetic. Please don't try to destroy the rest of us who love to strive to be our best and don't want to depend on government to take care of us. Remember, we're the ones who pay your welfare check.

  14. Those tax increases would be piled on top of several hundred million in federal tax hikes currently being bandied about to pay for the government’s power grab on health care. All this coming from a president who promised not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000.

    Legislators have been getting an earful from the states on the devastating consequences of expanding Medicaid, but they aren’t letting that stop them. Or even slow them down.

    Sen.Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) has been outspoken in his advocacy for the states, but he has garnered little attention. He didn’t hold back when he said, “Any senator who votes to expand Medicaid and transfer the costs on to the states ought to be sentenced to go home and serve as governor for a few years and try to implement the Medicaid program which is bankrupting states and forcing funding cuts that will ruin public higher education.”

    Governor Bredesen, the Democratic governor of Tennessee, said his state will get hit with a price tag of $1.4 billion over the next five years. He said, “That’s real money. How much money? Enough for a new state income tax or to do serious damage to higher education in Tennessee -- or both.” Vermont Governor and National Governors Association President Jim Douglas said the health care overhaul would be a "tremendous financial liability" and does not "respect that no one size fits all at the state level." He added, "Unlike the federal government, states can't print money."

    In essence, expanded eligibility for Medicaid, and the increased price tag that goes with it, means the federal government will not only be placing unbearable financial burdens on the states, but it will also be imposing its will on state decision making in how to direct more than a quarter of their finances. That is a new and unthinkable perversion of the federal government’s proper role as it relates to the states.

    Dennis Smith and Edmund Haislmaier of the Heritage Foundation believe that if Congress passes a bill that essentially takes away the states’ authority to manage their participation in the program, “states will likely take the rational and reasoned approach of simply ending the state-federal partnership known as Medicaid.”

    Well, there we go. An unlikely scenario, but one the states have a responsibility to evaluate, considering the alternatives. Is it possible for states that don’t get sweet deals, such as Nebraska’s, to opt out? In theory, yes -- state participation in Medicaid is entirely voluntary, a fact many in Congress would like to ignore. So while liberals in Congress continue on their bizarre course toward not only a federal takeover of health care, but a takeover of the states, they are forgetting that in this case, states hold the trump card. If they want to avoid bankruptcy, they might just decide to use it.

    Ms. Obenshain is a former chairman of the Virginia Republican Party.

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  16. Anon, following rule number 1 of the right wing play book...

    when confronted about TPs deflect and attack.

    Comeon, anon, admit you don't think for yourself, that you openly base your ideaoloque self on the talking points of the Free Republic and Red State. That each and every cry of Move-on is just projection, the fact that you use TPs so everyone must.

    Its Christmas you can admit it and i'll give you a gift. i let it pass. No retorts.

    I do like that you admit your closedmind and the fact that your just here to post with other conservatives, because God knows posting with other rightwing idealists is the way to a broader more well-rounded mind. LMAO. I'm here to debate to present myself and to listen and present opposition to which i disagree and support for that which i don't.

    As for the founding fathers, i don't waste my time or thoughts on such infantile rhetoric. the supposed reactions of long dead people doesn't matter to me. They are just men, not Gods or demi-Gods. Men. Stop with the conservative beautification of them.

    the same brilliant men who wrote that all men are created equal and unendowed with God-given rights owned other men and denied them there God-given rights. How do you in all your assorted man-love for their dead asses reconcile that? Smaller government ecept for when it worked to keep others as slaves.

  17. I removed Rev.Johnson's last post because it was the same post 2X's. So you are from Guam? How nice it must be there right now. It is nice to have so many readers and posters from all around the world. I would like to thank all the people that have posted on this blog as it is you that make this blog great. I try to let everyone govern themselves on this blog and for the most part it is civil and open.

  18. Joe,those men gave us a document that lasted over 200 years. There has never been any constitution in the history of mankind that has lasted this long. How is it OK for you Democrats to take from the rich and give to the poor without the free will God gave us? Yeaterday my 5 yr old took candy from his brother and then handed it out to the rest of us. We all thought it was so nice of him to share his candy with us. Until we found out he took the candy from my oldest child. My wife and I explained to our 5 yr old that taking from one person and giving to another isn't giving but it is stealing Gods gifts from his brother. Democrats need to stop contracting the US govt in it's theft of others God given wealth. And the Republicans haven't done a very good job of protecting our God given rights either. But the Republicans have been stepping up as of late. And for all of you out there that don't believe in God given rights but rather govt given right don't complain when the govt changes and starts to take that which is yours. Joe our forfathers changed the wording from God given right to the persuet of PROPERTY, to persuet of HAPPINESS because slaves were considered property and most didn't agree. Why do you so like pointing out the sins of others and the sins of the past? I think you should look at the reason you do that.

  19. joec exposes himself - no respect for the Constitution and its writers. That's why this country is in the sorry state it's in. Luckily the joec's are becoming fewer and fewer in this country as people are becoming more aware as the left do more and more damage.

    Talking about the right wing playbook. This coming from the party that idolizes Saul Alinsky.

  20. I would like to make a POINT about Health Care Bill that I do NOT get Answeres too!

    If this Nobama Bill is SO great and it AINT WHY do OUR Elected 535 in Washington DC see FIT to EXCLUDE themselves from this TERRIFIC piece of LEGISLATION?

    Why DO Citizens under Pentalties HAVE to?

    Why DO CERTAIN States not have to Pay into Medicare and OTHERS have to pick up THEIR SLACK?


    Did the LIBS Exclude the 10th Amendment from the Constitution and I just MISSED it?

    Why does this NEW era of TRANSPARENTSY have DOOR and Windows CLOSED so you CANT see IN?

  21. Chris, i don't believe that wealth is God given, nor is it his gifts to us.

    Anon, lol...I had to look him up. so yeah we all admire him and fllow him, NOT!! Besides said this about him.

    He had little patience for militants, Communists or dreamy liberals

    As for respect for the founders, i called them brilliant yet hypocritical. they were.

    How do you reconcile their hypocrisy?

    You never asnwer just deflect.

  22. JoeC When its Conveinent During this Christian Holiday Please give MY questions a LOOK at! Just wondering what your REPLY will be,PRETTY much KNOW it,with your PLay Book and ALL!

    Going to Family gathering NOW so ALL once more have MERRY CHRISTMAS!

  23. JoeC said...
    "Chris, i don't believe that wealth is God given, nor is it his gifts to us." Joe then how do we get our gifts if not from God? Is it OK for the unemployed to take from a well payed UAW member or to have the govt do it? Should the UAW members share the wealth of their "cadillac insurance"? Is it OK for us to pay more so that other states pay less? AL have a safe and happy Holy day.

  24. Merry Christmas to all, except Bruce. That guy wished the worst on me, and I think he's a real a-hole. You know what they say, beauty is skin deep but ugly is to the bone. Well that a-hole is ugly through and through.

    Joey, I hope your kids are feeling better. For your information, I've never seen anyone post anything from Red State or whatever it is, on here before. I've never even heard of that site or the other one that you reference, but I don't think the source necessarily negates the truth of the information. Hell, you should be happy a source is even given, since rarely does a lieberal provide at least that to us. I myself have provided sources from many different sources, including NPR and HuffPo, hardly conservative sources.

    As for coming on here to blog with like-minded conservatives, if I may I would like to just point out that Chris welcomes any differing opinions. He allows people to post freely. When I try to post on blogs like Bruce's, he just blocks them so what is the point?!? You however seem to allow most/all comments, so that is to me rather rare for a lieberal.

    So anonymous gets to post his comments and he also gets to read your responses, or responses from any lieberal that wants to post a comment in response. Which is worse, that scenario or the scenario like Bruce's blog where he stifles any comment that he doesn't like, that calls him out on his hypocrisy!?

  25. Oh, and Joey I second Al's request on some feedback on this health care debacle. I don't think we've ever heard your opinion on the matter, and I know we would all be interested in hearing your opinions. All we've had so far is Bruce FAILk's idiotic non-answers and straw-men. I'm hoping you have some opinions that are at least somewhat thought out and intelligent.

  26. LOL ... you lieberals that believe in ghosts and shit will get a kick out of this:

    Who Forgot The Sundial Batteries?

    Pagan worshippers ...
    ... who braved freezing temperatures to celebrate the winter solstice at Stonehenge were dismayed to discover that they had turned up on the wrong day.

    About 300 people dressed in robes met at the stone circle on Monday to greet the rising of the sun on the shortest day of the year. Unfortunately, their calculations were slightly out. They had arrived 24 hours early.

    ROFLMAO ... bet they wished there was some global warming when they were freezing their asses off at Stonehenge!! LOL

  27. It would be nice to know what you think Joe as a UAW member and as a liberal Democrat. Joe you make more sense then that Bruce Fealk. Merry Christmas from California.

  28. To be honest, I'm truly torn about the Senate version of the health care legislation.

    On one hand, I know that single-payer would provide the best care at the least expense. Since single-payer was never on the table, the House bill is closer to what I'd like to see in the conference report.

    I'm definitely not in favor of the mandates without a public option or a Medicare buy-in.

    Abortion should not even be part of the discussion. I trust women and their doctors to make decisions about their own bodies. The abortion issue is just a way to obstruct and make the debate about anything but taking care of Americans that need help.

    I do hope that the conference committee has strong liberals in the House and Senate that will fight for the best bill possible, given political realities.

    I'm not ready to say throw the baby out with the bathwater, but the bill needs to be better than the Senate bill before I would ever give it a full throated endorsement.

  29. Bruce if the bill doesn't serve you on the left of the issue and it doesn't serve us on the right, then who does it serve? It serves the unions by screwing the members. Mandated insurance is a windfal for the insurance companies that play Obamas game.

  30. Bruce what if the bill took away your union cadillac insurance and only gave you a Native American type health care? Would you give it a full throated endorsement then?

  31. Question If and when this Nobama Care takes Effect,What happens to the Millions or SO Union got to RUN Members Health Care. WHO/WHERE do it GO just Curious cause I DUNT KNOW!
    Hey Bruce When this Power GRAB of a BILL goes to Conference OTHER than LIBS whos going to be there? With all the Transparentsy its HARD to TELL!

  32. VATICAN CITY (AP) — A woman jumped the barriers in St. Peter's Basilica and knocked down Pope Benedict XVI at the start of Christmas Eve Mass, but the 82-year-old pontiff got up unhurt and proceeded as planned with Thursday's service.

    Witness video obtained by The Associated Press showed a woman dressed in a red hooded sweat shirt vaulting over the wooden barriers that cordoned off the basilica's main aisle and rushing toward the pope before being swarmed by bodyguards.

    The video showed the woman grabbing the pope's vestments as she was taken down by guards, with Benedict then falling on top of her.

    The commotion occurred as the pope's procession was making its way toward the main altar and shocked gasps rang out among the thousands who packed the basilica. The procession came to a halt, the music stopped and security rushed to the trouble spot.

    A Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Ciro Benedettini said the woman appeared to be mentally unstable and had been taken into custody by Vatican police. He said she also knocked down Cardinal Roger Etchegaray, who was taken to hospital for a checkup.

    "During the procession an unstable person jumped a barrier and knocked down the Holy Father," Benedettini told The AP by telephone. "(The pope) quickly got up and continued the procession."

    It was the second year in a row that there had been a security breach at the Christmas Eve service and this was the most serious incident involving the public in Benedict's five-year papacy. At the end of last year's Mass, a woman who had jumped the barriers got close to the pope but was quickly blocked on the ground by security.

    That woman too wore a red hooded sweat shirt, but Benedettini said it was not immediately known if the same person was behind Thursday's incident.

    MaryBeth Burns from Paris, Texas, was about four people away from the woman who jumped the barriers and was filming the pope's procession as the commotion started.

    "All of a sudden this person sort of flew over the barricade and the Holy Father went down and all the security people were on top of it, a whole pile there, getting her off and him back up," said Burns, who was visiting Italy with her family on a religious pilgrimage for Christmas.

  33. "I'm really mad because I had a perfect shot lined up," she added. "I'm still shaking."

    Benedict lost his miter and his staff in the fall. He remained on the ground for a few seconds before being helped back up by attendants. At that point, a few shouts of "viva il papa!" (long live the pope!) rang out, followed by cheers from the faithful, witnesses said.

    After getting up, Benedict, flanked by tense bodyguards, resumed his walk to the basilica's main altar to start the Mass. The pope, who broke his right wrist in a fall this summer, appeared unharmed but somewhat shaken and leaned heavily on aides and an armrest as he sat down in his chair.

    Few people who were watching the Mass on giant screens set up in a rain-soaked St. Peter's Square even knew that the pope had fallen, with many saying that either they weren't looking or had arrived too late.

    Benedict made no reference to the disturbance after the service started. As a choir sang, he sprinkled incense on the altar before opening the Mass with the traditional wish for peace in Latin.

    The incident was the first time a potential attacker came into direct contact with Benedict, and underscored concerns by security analysts who have frequently warned the pope is too exposed in his public appearances.

    There have been other security breaches at the Vatican.

    In 2007, during an open-air audience in St. Peter's Square, a mentally unstable German man jumped a security barrier and grabbed the back of the pope's open car before being swarmed by security guards.

    Then there was the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II by Turkish gunman Mehmet Ali Agca in 1981. John Paul suffered a severe abdominal wound as he rode in an open jeep at the start of his weekly audience in the Vatican piazza.

    The pope is protected by a combination of Swiss Guards, Vatican police and Italian police.

    Since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the U.S., the Vatican has tightened security at events where the pope is present. All visitors must pass by police to get into the square, with those entering the basilica going through metal detectors or being scanned by metal-detecting wands.

    However, Sister Samira, an Indian aide to Vatican officials who attended the service and saw the incident, said she is never searched by security when she attends papal Masses, and said the same holds true for other people in religious garb.

    Burns, the U.S. pilgrim, said security had been tight, and that it seemed there was no way to have prevented the woman from getting to the pope other than keeping the public out altogether.

    "This is Midnight Mass in the heart of our church," she said. "I guess the Holy Father puts himself at risk every time he's around anybody, any crowds really."

    In a similar incident, Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi was attacked as he was greeting the crowd at a political rally earlier this month. A man with a history of psychological problems hurled a souvenir statuette at the politician, fracturing his nose and breaking two of his teeth.

    Benedict celebrated this year's Christmas Eve Mass two hours earlier than the usual midnight starting time in a move by the Vatican to ease the pontiff's busy holiday schedule.

    Benedict has been remarkably healthy during his pontificate, keeping to a busy schedule and traveling around the world.

    But in July, he broke his wrist during a late-night fall while vacationing in an Alpine chalet and had to have minor surgery and wear a cast for a month — an episode that highlights the risk he ran in Thursday's tumble.

    In his homily, delivered unflappably after the incident, the pope urged the world to "wake up" from selfishness and petty affairs, and find time for God and spiritual matters.

  34. Al, by your standards, everyone at the table will be a liberal.

    By my standards, I want the entire damn Progressive Caucus at the table, no Ben Nelsons, no Mary Landrieu, no Joe Lieberman, no
    Blanche Lincoln.

  35. Bruce Not by MY Standards by Liberals Substandard!

    Where did ALL that UNION Millions go that was for Health Insurance that they GOT somehow from the Auto Companies. just Once Bruce go thrugh the BLOG and Answer a Damm QUESTIOIN. Your YAPPING SPIN without ACTUALLY Answering Questions is NOT only BORING but a Waste of ALL our TIME! How about Marxs and Lenin that would be a FULL PLATE for YOU at the TABLE!

  36. Oh, for crying out loud, Al.

    Your hyperbole is boring. Invoking Marx and Lenin really is over the top.

    That's what's wrong with Republicans, you take honest policy differences and turn them into an ideological struggle and start making shit up and use random capitalization in your posts.

    The unions are now responsible for union health care. That's where the millions went.

    If Republicans really came to the table with solutions, maybe you could get a seat at the table. All this crap about purchasing over state lines is just that crap. And tort reform will not affect costs one iota.

    Don't you have anything better than that.

    Republicans and Tea Baggers - .22 caliber brains in a .357 world.

  37. Yah Bruce you never do that.Bwaaahahahaha. Give me a break Bruce that is all you know how to do. You really are a cry baby Bruce. If it wasn't for JoeC and vomamike making good debate you would be quizing yourself and making the left look even dumber then they already do. You should thank Joe for at least being somewhat lucid.

  38. Whatever, Chris. Actually I don't do that. You guys use made up information and try to turn it into fact. When it doesn't work, you turn to name calling.

    Do you really think you're lucid? I haven't thought so for a reallllllllllyyyyyyyyy long time.

  39. Bruce Involking Lenin,Marx is over the TOP but SAYING KILLING BABIES for CONVENIENCE is NOT what a PURE LIBERAL THOUGHT!

    Consevatives at this Round Table would want to KNOW how to PAY for this Socialized Insurance and what will the LIBS say WE can have a POOP Tax,Flush Tax or Breathing Tax!

    Nobama Care still has a LONG way to go BUT might FAIR better than LIBS come Novemeber Elections Bruce!

    Just like a LIB Bruce bring a KNIFE to a GUN FIGHT!


  40. Bruce One more thing Before Breakfast with FAMILY .You Say Tort Reform and Buying Insurance across State Lines will NOT effect COST we wont KNOW will WE! But I am ALMOST positive it will Effect Care,MINOR thing to a LIB, Unless YOUR Ill! Once again it wont Matter to the Elite 535 in Washington Bruce Cause THEY EXEMPTED themselves from this WONDEREFUL BILL and ONCE again Bruce WHY?

  41. Whatever, Chris. Actually I don't do that. You guys use made up information and try to turn it into fact. When it doesn't work, you turn to name calling. Bruce that sounds more like you then anyone else on this blog. Why is Chris' blog doing so much better then yours ever did if he isn't lucid? The rumor is you're a pothead. But that's just rumor.

  42. According to a recent survey, Sarah Palin has managed to reverse the decline in popularity that followed her resignation last summer as Alaska’s governor.

    The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, which was release on Monday, revealed that 46 percent of Americans hold a favorable view of her and the same percentage say they have an unfavorable opinion about the former vice-presidnetial candidate. After she resigned in July, her popularity dipped to 39 percent, according to CNN.

    However, the poll also revealed a significant partisan and gender divide, finding that some 80 percent of Republicans hold a favorable view of Palin, while 70 percent of Democrats disapprove of her. Moreover, the mother of five has consistently polled higher with men than with women, even if the female respondents identify themselves as Republicans.

    Part of Palin’s surge in the polls may be attributed to her the high-profile media tour she launched in the last few weeks for her new memoir Going Rogue: An American Life, with appearances including an interview with talk show host Oprah Winfrey.

    However, she has remained coy about her plans to run for the White House in 2012, preferring to neither confirm nor deny such rumors.

  43. Al, how could I possibly know why Congress exempted itself from the exchanges of the health care bill?

    I suspect as federal employees they are happy with the coverage they have.

    Please bring on Sarah Palin for President. I'd love that race. Sarah Palin is perhaps the worst politician EVER! She has the least knowledge of issues I have ever seen and is the BIGGEST LIAR. She recently received an award as the years biggest liar.

    Were Palin to run, I have a feeling Republicans, especially former McCain staffers would be all over the TV machine calling her out on her lies, and Levi Johnston would be on every show that would have him discrediting Palin and dishing dirt on her and her family.

    Cheney/Palin 2012.

  44. What lies? Name all the lies Palin told. And then I'll name all of blobamas and we will see who is the bigger liar.

  45. Bruce if the Elite are SO happy with theirs does NOT say MUCH for whats in STORE for us BRUCE! Why not put all Citizens on the same type of Coverage the Elite are on and then we Wont Need the PLAN they have in STORE for us,DOES NOT that sound Reasonable,NEVER mind Bruce I forgot its YOU! Nobama Care is for ONE reason,to Eliminate Private Sector Insurance in a Couple of years (Socialized Insurance) PLANE and Simple but Bruce thats the TRUTH and we KNOW what that does to YA!

  46. Al, Sorry i haven't answered your questions.

    I don't really feel good about the bill itself. Its kinda a lesser of two evils to me.

    I basically want a single payer and am not happy with the idea of criminalizing lack of Healthcare. WTF????

    If i were a senator, i pass the procedural votes and vote against it on the final. Thats a copout i know and i admit that but thats how i feel. I probbaly fail it on the revised vote unless it contains a govt option. I fail it if it doesn't contain the Stupack amendment.

    I am to the point where i am sick of the abortion issue. Get rid of it and lets move on. No general funding for institutions that do abortions. specialized funding such as grants for birth control for poor people type things, but nothing in the general fund.

  47. Joey thanks for your thoughts.

    Bruce, where is your proof that tort reform and buying insurance across state lines won't affect the cost of insurance??!! That is a blatant lie. As you are fully aware it is, since I have debunked it several times, including the point that I made that this BS Hypocrat bill SUPPOSEDLY (since the Hypocrats, with their full-on "transparency" refuse to reveal the bill to anyone) HAS the across state-lines provision. So maybe you are saying that this is a big give-away to the insurance companies?!!? Your BS argument about the insurance companies going to the states with the lowest requirements ALSO does not hold water. Unless you are saying that is what car insurance, like Progressive that I can buy online with competitive rates that make OTHER insurance make THEIR rates competitive does the same thing?!!? You are a total, complete, utter MORON Bruce. And Chris or whoever said it is right, Joey and vomamike are doing all the heavy-lifting while you are just idiotic back-ground noise and provide NOTHING to the discussion other than your hate and ugliness and mental powers that border on crippling retardation.

  48. Bruce stop lieing. Everyone says "HI".

  49. JoeC We will not agree on this BILL Anytime SOON for MANY Reasons but to at least HEAR a Rational Example of how the other side FEELS gives me HOPE that indeed Rational Citizens can get ALONG,DONT have to Agree, but should Always LISTEN and that MAY be Most of the Problem with the Elite 535 they TALK but DONT Listen!

  50. You posters are the best. We have about 15 people reading this blog right now. John you are the man. It's good to see some good Christians fighting back for once. Some men with obama shirts beat a retarded man just down the street when he was throwing out his fathers McCain signs. What is this world c0oming to with these liberals taking over.


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