A new survey published by The New England Journal of Medicine, a prestigious magazine, says that nearly half of primary care doctors in America could leave the medical profession if Obamacare is passed.
According to the Journal, 63 percent of physicians feel that health care reform is needed but should be done in a more gradual way. And an astounding 72 percent of doctors believe a public option, that is a government-run health insurance company, would have a negative impact on medical care in the USA.
From the jump, "Talking Points" has been telling you about the unintended consequences of Obamacare. But if half the nation's doctors are considering getting out, that's by far the most frightening offshoot of health care reform.
If Obamacare passes, there could be about 30 million more Americans seeking medical care from the establishment. Dick Morris says even if every doctor stays in place, the result would be health care rationing. But if doctors begin leaving the profession, well, you do the math.
The question is: Why? Why are so many doctors queasy about Obamacare? There are essentially two reasons.
First, loss of control. Most doctors value their freedom to make decisions when it comes to their patients. They don't want some pinhead in Washington telling them how to treat a person.
Second, many doctors believe Obamacare will cut payments, especially in the Medicare area. With the high cost of medical malpractice insurance and other expenses, many doctors say hey, it's just not worth it.
If the Democratic Party is concerned about an exodus of American doctors from the field, we haven't heard it. We haven't heard President Obama, Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid say anything about this.
But I believe the study in The New England Journal of Medicine because I've talked to enough doctors myself to know there's no great enthusiasm for Obamacare in the medical community, even here in liberal New York City.
The massive Obamacare plan is already out of control and it hasn't even been passed yet.
And that's "The Memo."
Physician Survey: Health Reforms Potential Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical CareMar. – Apr. 2010
Key Findings
Physician Support of Health Reform in General
• 62.7% of physicians feel that health reform is needed but should be implemented in a more targeted, gradual way, as opposed to the sweeping overhaul that is in legislation.
• 28.7% of physicians are in favor of a public option.
• 3.6% of physicians prefer the “status quo” and feel that the U.S. health care system is best “as is.
Health Reform and Primary Care Physicians
• 46.3% of primary care physicians (family medicine and internal medicine) feel that the passing of health reform will either force them out of medicine or make them want to leave medicine.
Health Reform, Public Option, and Practice Revenue/Physician Income
• 41% of physicians feel that income and practice revenue will “decline or worsen dramatically” with a public option.
• 30% feel income will “decline or worsen somewhat” with a public option.
• 9% feel income will “improve somewhat” with a public option, and 0.8% feel income will “improve dramatically” with a public option.
Health Reform, Public Option, and Physician Supply
• 72% of physicians feel that a public option would have a negative impact on physician supply, with 45% feeling it will “decline or worsen dramatically” and 27% predicting it will “decline or worsen somewhat.
• 24% of physicians think they will try to retire early if a public option is implemented.
• 21% of physicians would try to leave medicine if a public option is implemented, even if not near retirement age at the time.
Health Reform and Recommending Medicine to Others as a Career
• 36% of physicians would not recommend medicine as a career, regardless of health reform.
• 27% would recommend medicine as a career but not if health reform passes.
• 25% of physicians would recommend medicine as a career regardless of health reform.
• 12% would not recommend medicine as a career now but feel that they would recommend it as a career if health reform passes
Source:“Physician Survey: Health Reform’s Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care,”
The Medicus Firm, www.TheMedicusFirm.com
Physician Survey: Health Reforms Potential Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care
ReplyDeleteMar. – Apr. 2010
Key Findings
Physician Support of Health Reform in General
• 62.7% of physicians feel that health reform is needed but should be implemented in a more targeted, gradual way, as opposed to the sweeping overhaul that is in legislation.
• 28.7% of physicians are in favor of a public option.
• 3.6% of physicians prefer the “status quo” and feel that the U.S. health care system is best “as is.
Health Reform and Primary Care Physicians
• 46.3% of primary care physicians (family medicine and internal medicine) feel that the passing of health reform will either force them out of medicine or make them want to leave medicine.
Health Reform, Public Option, and Practice Revenue/Physician Income
• 41% of physicians feel that income and practice revenue will “decline or worsen dramatically” with a public option.
• 30% feel income will “decline or worsen somewhat” with a public option.
• 9% feel income will “improve somewhat” with a public option, and 0.8% feel income will “improve dramatically” with a public option.
Health Reform, Public Option, and Physician Supply
• 72% of physicians feel that a public option would have a negative impact on physician supply, with 45% feeling it will “decline or worsen dramatically” and 27% predicting it will “decline or worsen somewhat.
• 24% of physicians think they will try to retire early if a public option is implemented.
• 21% of physicians would try to leave medicine if a public option is implemented, even if not near retirement age at the time.
Health Reform and Recommending Medicine to Others as a Career
• 36% of physicians would not recommend medicine as a career, regardless of health reform.
• 27% would recommend medicine as a career but not if health reform passes.
• 25% of physicians would recommend medicine as a career regardless of health reform.
• 12% would not recommend medicine as a career now but feel that they would recommend it as a career if health reform passes
Source:“Physician Survey: Health Reform’s Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care,”
The Medicus Firm, www.TheMedicusFirm.com
I'm a nurse and was just talking about this with our facility Dr. He is really concerned about this and says he doesn't know of any other physicians that are not worried about it. It's going to be a real mess not only for people in the medical field, but also for all patients.
ReplyDeleteI just wanted you to see these numbers again. The doctors are our health care system. Without them we have a collapsed health care system. Is that what the Democrats are trying to do is collapes the system? And good luck filling the medical schools to replace those doctors. This obamacare is distructive on so many levels.
ReplyDeleteLiberals keep complaining that Republicans don't have a plan for reforming health care in America. I have a plan!
ReplyDeleteIt's a one-page bill creating a free market in health insurance. Let's all pause here for a moment so liberals can Google the term "free market."
Nearly every problem with health care in this country -- apart from trial lawyers and out-of-date magazines in doctors' waiting rooms -- would be solved by my plan.
In the first sentence, Congress will amend the McCarran-Ferguson Act to allow interstate competition in health insurance.
We can't have a free market in health insurance until Congress eliminates the antitrust exemption protecting health insurance companies from competition. If Democrats really wanted to punish insurance companies, which they manifestly do not, they'd make insurers compete.
The very next sentence of my bill provides that the exclusive regulator of insurance companies will be the state where the company's home office is. Every insurance company in the country would incorporate in the state with the fewest government mandates, just as most corporations are based in Delaware today.
That's the only way to bypass idiotic state mandates, requiring all insurance plans offered in the state to cover, for example, the Zone Diet, sex-change operations, and whatever it is that poor Heidi Montag has done to herself this week.
President Obama says we need national health care because Natoma Canfield of Ohio had to drop her insurance when she couldn't afford the $6,700 premiums, and now she's got cancer.
Much as I admire Obama's use of terminally ill human beings as political props, let me point out here that perhaps Natoma could have afforded insurance had she not been required by Ohio's state insurance mandates to purchase a plan that covers infertility treatments and unlimited OB/GYN visits, among other things.
It sounds like Natoma could have used a plan that covered only the basics -- you know, things like cancer.
The third sentence of my bill would prohibit the federal government from regulating insurance companies, except for normal laws and regulations that apply to all companies.
Freed from onerous state and federal mandates turning insurance companies into public utilities, insurers would be allowed to offer a whole smorgasbord of insurance plans, finally giving consumers a choice.
Instead of Harry Reid deciding whether your insurance plan covers Viagra, this decision would be made by you, the consumer. (I apologize for using the terms "Harry Reid" and "Viagra" in the same sentence. I promise that won't happen again.)
Instead of insurance companies jumping to the tune of politicians bought by health-care lobbyists, they would jump to tune of hundreds of millions of Americans buying health insurance on the free market.
Hypochondriac liberals could still buy the aromatherapy plan and normal people would be able to buy plans that only cover things such as major illness, accidents and disease. (Again -- things like Natoma Canfield's cancer.)
This would, in effect, transform medical insurance into ... a form of insurance!
My bill will solve nearly every problem allegedly addressed by ObamaCare -- and mine entails zero cost to the taxpayer. Indeed, a free market in health insurance would produce major tax savings as layers of government bureaucrats, unnecessary to medical service in America, get fired.
For example, in a free market, the government wouldn't need to prohibit insurance companies from excluding "pre-existing conditions."
Of course, an insurance company has to be able to refuse NEW customers with "pre-existing conditions." Otherwise, everyone would just wait to get sick to buy insurance. It's the same reason you can't buy fire insurance on a house that's already on fire.
That isn't an "insurance company"; it's what's known as a "Christian charity."
What Democrats are insinuating when they denounce exclusions of "pre-existing conditions" is an insurance company using the "pre-existing condition" ruse to deny coverage to a current policy holder -- someone who's been paying into the plan, year after year.
ReplyDeleteAny insurance company operating in the free market that pulled that trick wouldn't stay in business long.
If hotels were as heavily regulated as health insurance is, right now I'd be explaining to you why the government doesn't need to mandate that hotels offer rooms with beds. If they didn't, they'd go out of business.
I'm sure people who lived in the old Soviet Union thought it was crazy to leave groceries to the free market. ("But what if they don't stock the food we want?")
The market is a more powerful enforcement mechanism than indolent government bureaucrats. If you don't believe me, ask Toyota about six months from now.
Right now, insurance companies are protected by government regulations from having to honor their contracts. Violating contracts isn't so easy when competitors are lurking, ready to steal your customers.
In addition to saving taxpayer money and providing better health insurance, my plan also saves trees by being 2,199 pages shorter than the Democrats' plan.
ObamaCanard #93: The Uninsured Use E.R.'s for Primary Care
ReplyDeletehttp://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/03/obamacanard-93-uninsured-use-emergency.html
How often have you read news reports like this one in the San Francisco Chronicle?
Hospital emergency departments, typically the medical providers of last resort, are becoming the only option for insured as well as uninsured people who are unable to get care elsewhere, leading to a record rise in emergency room visits over the past decade, a federal government report found...
"The uninsured have long been more frequent users of (emergency rooms). That's not new. What's new is the rise ... in frequency in visits, and that's occurring in the insured," said Dr. Stephen Pitts, author of the report and a CDC fellow who teaches emergency medicine at Emory University's School of Medicine.
Problem is, the meme is complete bunk.
As Robert J. Samuelson, writing in The Washington Post, and The New York Times' Freakonomics Blog report:
A study by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation found that the insured accounted for 83% of emergency-room visits, reflecting their share of the population. After Massachusetts adopted universal insurance, emergency-room use remained higher than the national average, an Urban Institute study found. More than two-fifths of visits represented non-emergencies. Of those, a majority of adult respondents to a survey said it was "more convenient" to go to the emergency room or they couldn't "get [a doctor's] appointment as soon as needed." If universal coverage makes appointments harder to get, emergency-room use may increase.
And:
...a new Slate article from Zachary Meisel and Jesse Pines offers a rosier picture of emergency room usage, and dispels several pervasive myths. They write that E.R. care represents less than 3% of healthcare spending, only 12% of E.R. visits are non-urgent, and the majority of E.R. patients are insured U.S. citizens, not uninsured, illegal immigrants. Meisel and Pines also point out that E.R. visits don’t necessarily cost more than primary care visits: “In fact, the marginal cost of treating less acute patients in the ER is lower than paying off-hours primary care doctors, as ERs are already open 24/7 to handle life-threatening emergencies.” Ultimately, Meisel and Pines believe that emergency rooms are functioning as they’re supposed to, as “an always-available resource to alleviate pain, make sure your baby is not truly ill, and patch you up after a nasty fall is vital, even if it turns out that your condition wasn’t as serious as you feared.”
Put simply, E.R.'s are functioning far better in the U.S. than in any other country.
Which is why Alan Grayson wants to destroy them. And, it would seem, kill you in the process.
In fact, the reason E.R. usage has grown is because of government-run health care. Most studies indicate that the difficulty in getting primary care appointments (especially for Medicare and Medicaid patients) has contributed to the rise in E.R. use.
So, if Democrats get their way with state-run health care for everyone, look for Emergency Rooms to resemble a DMV chock full of sick people.
Hoisting Alan Grayson By His Own Fuzzy Logic
ReplyDeleteFlorida Congressman Alan Grayson, the new Al Franken-like star of the Democratic Party, claims that Republicans want people to die quickly. Grayson's proof? Republicans oppose Democratic plans to restructure the U.S. health care system, including getting government further involved in health care decisions.
Grayson has been doubling and tripling down on his comments, like a child who gets attention by rolling on the floor kicking and screaming, and who soon figures out that kicking and screaming works. Overnight Grayson went from nobody anybody had ever heard of, to darling of the left-wing blog money-raising circuit. Only time will tell if Grayson gets 15 minutes or more of fame.
So what to make of the fact that compared to nationalized health systems, the U.S. has higher cancer survival rates? Even the not-so-non-partisan FactCheck.org had to admit this fact, although it tried to spin it so as to lessen the impact in the current health care debate:
It’s certainly the case that we have higher survival rates than the United Kingdom and other countries with nationalized health care. Across the board, the United States boasts a higher five-year relative survival rate than the European average, according to a 2008 study in the British medical journal Lancet. For breast cancer, for instance, the U.S. survival rate was 83.9%, the U.K. rate was 69.7%, and the average European rate was 73.1%.
So using Grayson's logic, since Grayson wants to push us towards a British-style system, and under such a system cancer patients die at higher rates, Grayson must want to kill cancer patients.
Hoisting Grayson by his own hyperbole and fuzzy logic is so easy, it may become habit-forming.
(Psst, in case you were wondering, I don't think Alan Grayson wants to kill cancer patients, but I would like him to stop accusing people with opposing viewpoints of being killers.)
Wednesday, March 17, 2010
ReplyDeleteWill Obamacare Lead To A New "Anti-Fascist" Coalition?
Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake has been one of the few avowed progressives willing to speak out against Obamacare.
As I have explored before, Hamsher's central objection is my central objection, the mandate. We object to the mandate on very different grounds; she because it makes the government the bill collector for insurance companies, me because it alters the relationship between government and citizen by taxing and penalizing the failure to engage in economic activity.
Hamsher reacted to Dennis Kucinich's capitulation this morning by stating that Obamacare amounts to fascism:
"The claims made by the administration about the virtues of the health care bill are outright fabrications. As Marcy Wheeler has documented in her post entitled “Health Care and the Road to Neufeudalism,” it does not control either insurance premiums or health care costs. Forcing 31 million people to buy a product they don’t want and can’t afford to use does not constitute health care reform. Once again, the poor get used as human shields so corporations can be the beneficiaries of massive government bailout.
Rather than actually helping the poor, this bill is a dangerous and unprecedented step on the road to domination of government by private corporate players who use it to suppress competition and secure their profits — the textbook definition of fascism."
Hamsher suggested that Obamacare will blur the lines between left and right as people reject the Obamacare system:
"If indeed this bill passes, people across the country will have to start examining the basic assumptions with which we have heretofore approached politics. The thing I have learned above all else in this campaign is that the corporate control of government is much more extensive than I ever imagined, and the tools we have to fight its influence are ineffective."
We need to develop new partners in the fight, because there is tremendous public will to resist and the old ones can’t be trusted. We also need a new language to describe it, because the old “right-left” paradigm is firing past the true opponent.
The rejection of statism (whether corporate or otherwise) in favor of individual liberty and economic freedom is at the heart of the Tea Party movement and the changes taking place slowly in the Republican Party.
Perhaps it is time for Hamsher and those who blog with her to re-examine their derisive attitude towards the Tea Party movement.
We may not agree on desired outcome of what our health care system should look like, but we do agree that Obamacare represents the worst aspects of government control over society.
Check out this video Chris, it's short but pretty funny:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TTC6FJphWA&feature=player_embedded
When you're done with that, check out this website:
http://www.paramountcommunication.com/newsletters/catholicvote/petition/standwithstupak.aspx
And stand with Stupak. An honorable man that is being pilloried by the cowardly Hypocrats.
Chris, To your question of where they will the doctors go, I say India. I am not joking either, theirs is a growing economy and a huge population. With Europes socialist health programs, those that can go to India for health care. Most if not all doctors there were trained in the West.
ReplyDeleteIts not exactly our brand of democracy being we are a Republic, but it is the closest you can come to in that region and after all thet to won independance from the British Crown.
You are right about that Christopher. And with our math and science scores in the public school system we wont be getting too many American made doctors. And our imports wont be there either. Good doctors are what makes our health care system work. As well as good nurses. The Democratic Obamacare doesn't think through the cause and effect of what they are doing. 73% of Americans don't want this bill. But the Democrats keep saying that Americans want reform and that is the reform they are giving us. It's like me saying I'm hungry and the Democrats saying eat this turd it will fill me up. But I keep telling them I'm hungry and they keep saying the turd will fill me up. If I eat that turd I'll get sicker and throw up what I have in my stomach. But the Democrats aren't willing to make me a real meal that will take care of my needs.
ReplyDeleteMore BS from Chris
ReplyDeleteBill O'Reilly cites a poll taken by the New England Journal of Medicine and here's his headline on how physicians feel about the health care bill.
46.3% May Leave Medical Profession
Here's what the poll actually says:
Health Reform and Primary Care Physicians
46.3%of primary care physicians (family medicine and internal medicine) feel that the passing of health reform will either force them out of medicine or make them want to leave medicine.
Given the amount of false information being put out there about what is in the bill and the fear mongering that's been done by the Republican Party and the media, I've got to wonder if the poll is really a good indication of what these doctors might do once it passes. I also don't know what line of work those doctors think they would have to turn to if they're not happy with the bill after it passes given the shape our economy is in.
I'm not counting on Bill O'Reilly to give us any sort of in depth analysis that's anything but hype to scare the crap out everyone on those numbers any time soon. It will be nice to hear from someone who is not a ClusterFox fear monger on those numbers once more people have a chance to take a look at the poll.
UPDATED: John Amato:
Well, well, well. The New England Journal of Medicine says they never produced a health care survey.
For example, on Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade said: "The New England Journal of Medicine has published a report and did a survey, and they said the impact of reform on primary care physicians, 46 percent, they say, feel reform will force them out or make them want to leave medicine."
This is false.
Media Matters for America contacted the New England Journal of Medicine, which confirmed it neither conducted nor published the "survey."
NEJM spokesperson Jennifer Zeis told Media Matters that the study had "nothing to do with the New England Journal of Medicine's original research." She also made clear that the study "was not published by the New England Journal of Medicine," and said that "we are taking steps to clarify the source of the survey."
The "report" that right-wing media are citing actually appeared in Recruiting Physicians Today, which is an employment newsletter produced by "the publishers of the New England Journal of Medicine." According to Zeis, that report actually "was written by the Medicus Firm," the medical recruitment firm that conducted the "survey."
UPDATE: Following inquiries from Media Matters, the "NEJM CareerCenter" website has now posted the following statement, making clear that Recruiting Physicians Today is a "free advertiser newsletter" whose content is "produced by physician recruiting firms and other independent groups involved in physician employment" and that Medicus was responsible for conducting and publishing the "survey" in question...read on
Will Bill O'Reilly issue a correction tonight?
Wow Comrade Bruce, so O' Reilly said it was a survey conducted by NEJM, but it wasn't. I guess that discredits the survey? LOL
ReplyDeleteHere's the survey, and yes, doctors will be leaving an already strained medical system if this travesty of a bill passes:
The Medicus Firm: Media
Survey Reveals Potential Impact of Health Reform on Physician Supply
http://www.themedicusfirm.com/pages/medicus-media-survey-reveals-impact-health-reform
In a physician survey conducted December 2009 by The Medicus Firm, a national physician search firm, 24.7% of physicians stated that they would "retire early" if a public option is implemented, and an additional 21.0% of respondents stated that they would quit practicing medicine, even though they are nowhere near retirement. This brings the amount of physicians who would leave medicine to a total of 45.7%.
Interestingly, the numbers were not as dramatic, but still troubling, if the public option is not part of the equation. If health reform passes without the public option, 7.4% of physicians stated that they would quit practicing medicine, unless they were nearing retirement, in which case 21.8% said they would retire early, bringing the total loss of physician workforce to nearly one-third of physicians leaving medicine.
"What many people may not realize is that health reform could impact physician supply in such a way that the quality of healthcare could suffer," states Jim Stone, Managing Partner at The Medicus Firm's Dallas office. "Based on the physicians' responses to the survey, health reform could significantly intensify the effects of the physician shortage. Depending upon which version of the health reform bill passes, the reality is that there may not be enough doctors to provide quality medical care to all of these newly insured people."
Over 50% of physicians who responded predict that a health reform would cause the quality of medical care to deteriorate in America. When asked how health reform could affect the quality of medical care, 40.7% stated it would "decline or worsen somewhat," while another 14.4% stated that the quality of medical care would "decline or worsen dramatically". If a public option is implemented as part of health reform, 64.1% of physicians predict that the quality of medical care in general will decline.
"Many physicians feel that they cannot continue to practice if patient loads increase while pay decreases. The overwhelming prediction from physicians is that health reform, if implemented inappropriately, could create a detrimental combination of circumstances, and result in an environment in which it is not possible for most physicians to continue practicing medicine," states Kevin Perpetua, Managing Partner for The Medicus Firm's Atlanta division. "With an average debt of $140,000, and many graduates approaching a quarter of a million dollars in school loans, being a doctor is becoming less and less feasible. Health reform, and increasing government control of medicine may be the final straw that causes the physician workforce to break down."
Only 23.8% of physicians unequivocally support a public option for health coverage, according to the survey responses. 67.9% agree that reform is needed in some fashion, but not with the public option, and not as one sweeping bill.
More BS from Comrade Bruce and Comrade Obama:
ReplyDeletePUZZLING STATEMENT: OBAMA SAYS ‘LOUISIANA PURCHASE’ WILL HELP WITH THE EARTHQUAKE IN HAWAII
Gateway Pundit: What earthquake in Hawaii? In 1868 there was a major earthquake in Hawaii that killed 77 people. In 1975 an earthquake in Hawaii killed 2 people.
Will Comrade Obama issue a correction tonight?
http://www.breitbart.tv/puzzling-statement-obama-says-louisiana-purchase-will-help-with-the-earthquake-in-hawaii/
More BS from Comrade Biden:
ReplyDeleteBiden mistakenly blesses Irish leader's mother
WASHINGTON — Vice President Joe Biden asked for God's blessing for the late mother of Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen during a White House celebration of St. Patrick's Day — except the elderly lady is very much alive.
"God rest her soul," Biden said Wednesday night as he introduced Cowen and President Barack Obama. He quickly caught himself and noted that it's Cowen's father who is no longer living. Of the prime minister's mother, Biden said, "God bless her soul."
Biden then cited the Irish proverb that "a silent mouth is sweet to hear" and yielded the podium to the president.
Will Comrade Biden issue a correction tonight?
More BS from Comrade Bruce Fealk:
ReplyDeleteThe bill is going to pass and 30 million people will have access to health care that didn't before.
Too bad for Comrade FAILk and his lies that everyone already has access to health care, and he cannot provide evidence of ONE person who does not.
Will Comrade FAILk issue a correction tonight?
Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16
ReplyDeleteWalgreens will stop taking new Medicaid patients in Washington state as of April 16, saying it loses money filling their prescriptions.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011367936_walgreens18m.html
Now joining the Mayo Clinic which has stopped taking new Medicare patients, Walgreens across the state of Washington will not be accepting new Medicaid patients to fill their prescriptions, due to losing money.
Wow, can't wait until THAT program expands. What a joke.
John, do you mean access to ER's? Sure, uninsured people can to go an emergency room and receive the most expensive care possible and when a disease or health crisis is at its worst, instead of getting comparatively inexpensive primary care as prevention.
ReplyDeleteAnd even if you can go to an emergency room and get treated, most people that go to the ER as a primary care situation, can't afford to pay the bill once they do get treated.
So, if you want to call walking into an ER a health care system and "access" be my guest.
I'd rather pay for someone to get preventive care then ER care. It costs a whole lot less and the hospitals more often than not get stuck holding the bill and they pass it along to the rest of the people who do have insurance in higher medical costs when we visit the hospital.
Is that the access you're talking about, John? IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWAAAAAHAHAHA!!! I'll take that as your correction Comrade FAILk! Admit it, you are WRONG about 30 million who don't have access to health care! ROFLMAO! Look at Comrade Bruce, the BIG. F**KING. LIAR!
ReplyDeleteAnd hey Comrade Bruce, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your BS! Will you be issuing a correction after you read this, IDIOT?!?! I mean, I only posted it a few comments ago on THIS VERY TOPIC:
ObamaCanard #93: The Uninsured Use E.R.'s for Primary Care
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/03/obamacanard-93-uninsured-use-emergency.html
See above for the full article. Your claims are MORE LIES. No research, eh Comrade Bruce? Just MoveOn lies and talking points. ER's are keeping health care costs DOWN. IDIOT!!! LOL
And yes, Comrade Bruce, I DO call having access to health care "having access to health care". If you don't want to go to the emergency room, there are lots and lots and lots of low-cost clinics for those without insurance. I have one right by my house. And there are hundreds opening across the country in Walgreens, Wal-Marts, and I believe Rite-Aids. Everyone has access. And hospitals are more than happy to work with you on a repayment plan. I know, because I am in the middle of one right now. So go F**K yourself with your lies. I for one am tired of your lies. Like Comrade Obama saying that woman is going to lose her house. Well that certainly was news to the hospital who said she was nowhere NEAR in danger of losing her house, in fact she will or does qualify for all kinds of assistance. Your lies are merely to further your Socialist/Communist agenda Comrade FAILk. Nothing more. Show me one person who has no access to health care! Show me the person being turned away from being treated! Show me you F**KING liar!
ReplyDeletePreventive care being covered by insurance, Comrade Bruce, will only cause health care costs to rise you IDIOT. GOD, you are SO stupid. I just can't really believe you don't check out the most BASIC things before you spout off! You really do just mime everything MoveOn tells you to, don't you?! Wow, you are DUMB.
ReplyDeleteI will accept all your corrections on this comment board Comrade Bruce.
ReplyDeleteTime to fess up to telling lies to further your communist agenda.
Comrade Bruce, I have the facts on my side. All you and your ilk have are lies. And now your lies are exposed. You have been proven wrong so many times, you don't even know what being right feels like. What a pathetic excuse for a human you are. If I was your family I would be very. very. embarrassed.
ReplyDeleteHey Comrade Bruce, what's up with Comrade Obama being on Faux News? I thought that was just a Republican propaganda unit?!? LOL ... first Comrade Bruce on Faux News, now Comrade Obama ... smacks of desperation! Or maybe he just wanted to go where the viewers are, so he couldn't go on MadCow or Oldbuttman's shows! LMAO
ReplyDeleteStephen Lynch warns on health vote
ReplyDeleteSays procedural move would hurt Congress
By Jay Fitzgerald
Thursday, March 18, 2010
Even one of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s floor whips, U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch, says a proposed parliamentary move to pass health-care reform would be “disingenuous” and harm the credibility of Congress.
In a sign of how tough it’s been for Pelosi to round up votes for the massive bill, Lynch - a South Boston Democrat who supported a House reform package last year - said he’ll probably vote against a key Senate version of the legislation, unless unexpected major changes are made soon.
Lynch, who serves as one of Pelosi’s key vote counters, said he also can’t support a proposed “deem and pass” procedure that would allow Democrats to vote to strip out controversial portions of the Senate bill and then “deem” that the entire package has passed without a second, direct vote.
“It’s disingenuous,” said Lynch, who considers unfair a Senate provision to tack a surcharge on higher-end health plans. “It would really call into question the credibility of the House.”
Hey Comrade Bruce, have you been plagiarizing and astro-turfing? I see the Oakland Press and Macomb Daily listed here, so I bet your fat fingerprints are alllll over this! LMAO:
ReplyDeletePresident Obama Promotes OFA Astroturf Campaign (with Bonus Plagiarism)
http://biggovernment.com/richmondsexton/2010/03/18/president-obama-promotes-ofa-astroturf-campaign-with-bonus-plagiarism/
What is great about these talking points is that they are easily destroyed by the folks that leave comments. So it's almost as if your talking points are being set up to be knocked down by the facts, LOL
Poor Bart Stupak, I really feel sorry for him. Now he is getting the brunt of the radical regressive nut-jobs. And not just him, but his wife as well. If you can, please go to standwithstupak.com and show your support for this brave man who is willing to take a stand for what he believes in. No wonder the Hypocrats are trying to tear him down, he's a principled man voting the way his constituents want him to, and there is no room for someone like that in the Hypocrat party.
ReplyDelete---------
Stupak tired of ‘obscene phone calls’
By Mike Riggs
Looks like being a holdout = being a target of crazy liberal ire:
The fight has taken a toll on his wife, who has disconnected the phone in their home to avoid harassment.
“All the phones are unplugged at our house — tired of the obscene calls and threats. She won’t watch TV,” Stupak said during an hourlong interview with The Hill in his Rayburn office. “People saying they’re going to spit on you and all this. That’s just not fun.”
http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/18/stupak-tired-of-obscene-phone-calls/#ixzz0iXAVoqSU
Let the op-ed bombing continue. lol
ReplyDeleteCathy, there are several issues i have with your "plan". first i don't wnat to give up regulatory control in my state to the state with the least amount of mandates. qwhile that sounds great to you. i prefer not to let control of healthcare to whatever state they can bribe...er. lobby to have the least amount of control. No amount of free market rhetoric will convince me that my state is better off with no say in business operating in my state.
While deregulation seems like such a boon to the right, some of us do know how deregulation hasn't always helped the American consumer.
Do you think that's acceptable Comrade Bruce, to make harassing phone calls to a Congressman? And especially to his wife, probably just a nice lady trying to live her life. I know people like you think spouses of public officials are fair game. You regressives have no shame. Acting all high and mighty and morally superior. But then you go on private property and harass Knollenberg's wife, or make obscene and threatening calls to people who disagree with you. Just ugly behavior. You and the Hypocrat party should denounce those people that do that sort of thing.
ReplyDeleteJoe, the American consumer PROVIDES the regulation. I think that is the part that you just don't get about regulation. The consumer decides what they want, what they like, what they don't. If there is a market for it, enterprising people like you will fill that gap. If there isn't a market for it, no subsidies should be provided to prop up a useless business.
ReplyDeleteFor instance, if there is an insurance market for, say, homeopathic practices, then surely an entrepreneur will create that business.
Just like car insurance, that is affordable and you can choose the features you want, for the most part. And it is less expensive because you can shop anywhere for it. I don't see auto insurance that only offers PLPD, for instance.
Regulations, by and large, are the result of big corporations getting regulations passed that favor them and hurt their competition. For instance, that H&R Block legislation that was recently passed, wherein ANYONE who prepares your income tax return NOW (or I think it is next year) has to be registered. For what?!? It's just regulation that was lobbied for and written by the big guys to hurt competition.
And as we know from the Wall Street meltdown, regulations mean nothing to the government. They don't follow them, and they don't enforce them.
John, Harassing phone calls to congressman. you mean like the Limbaugh deal??? Or that Republican strategist who got convicted of illegally phonebombing the Democrat call center?
ReplyDeleteMay 18, 2006
CONCORD, N.H. — former Republican National Committee official James Tobin will serve 10 months in prison for his role in jamming the phones of New Hampshire Democrats on Election Day 2002.
In 2004, Tobin served as New England chairman of President George W. Bush’s 2004 re-election campaign but stepped down...
Your right us liberals denounce this stuff.
Actually Joey, they were calling the actual Congressman, not their houses, so no, that is nothing like harassing their wives. But good try at "2 wrongs make a right" again.
ReplyDeleteApparently justice was served in whatever the 2006 (wow, going back a ways, aren't you) deal was, correct?
Wow, you are really pathetic at this stuff. Public official's offices can be called, after all, we are their employer. Are you trying to justify calling a Public Official's home, or harassing their family? You regressives are a bunch of nutjobs.
JoeyC says Public Official's family is fair game. You stay classy Joey.
ReplyDeleteDo you know what sucks the most about this obamacare bill? The fact that we all will pay for it for 4 years before it starts to pay out. All those people wont get jack for 4 years. And right about the time obamacare kicks in the system will be so screwed up they will call for a single payer. Another health care crisis given to us by the Progressives and Democrats.
ReplyDeleteAnd by the way Joey, something that is kind of irritating, is that the word "your" denotes ownership, as in "that valid point is yours, John". You should write "You're correct John" because you're is a contraction of "You Are". Got it? Happy to help whenever you need it angry gangster union boy.
ReplyDeleteDid you know that the federal government turns down almost everyone that applies for SSI? Most handicaped Americans have to get a laywer in order to get SSI(Social Security Insurance). It takes up to 3 years without an income for a judge to grant Social Security Insurance payouts. The laywers make out with this SSI scam. Nowe if you have the private insurer like AFLAC you get your money with a doctors note. Is this what we have to look forword to now with health care? Why don't I hear the cries from the left when it comes down to Medicare turning down more people then all the private insurance companies? But that doesn't matter because both SSI and Medicare are going bankrupt fast and obamacare does nothing to fix it. It will be nice knowing that the Fed. wont touch any of that 4 years of obamacare money. The Fed has never done anything like that. lol
ReplyDeleteChris, that is the ideal model for the regressive takeover of health care. The Medicare model kills thousands of people through claim rejections, and bankrupts thousands more. More dead people not collecting on SSI or Medicare is how the regressives are going to bring down the deficit. Right Comrade Bruce?
ReplyDeleteDon't forget about all those aborted blacks and Downe Syndrom babies. They are a real money saver. And they are inflating our dollor so the debt will easily get paid off.
ReplyDeleteDaily Presidential Tracking Poll
ReplyDeleteThursday, March 18, 2010
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20. That’s just one point above the all-time low.
Each time the President leads a big push for his health care plan, his job approval ratings suffer.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Chris, there will be an union organized health care rally this Sat March 20 at 11AM Meeting place America Votes Office 333 W. 7th St, Suite 320 (Third floor), Royal Oak,MI. 48067. Go to the meeting and get any information you can about these radicals intentions. This is a group that is funded by SEIU,UAW,AFL-CIO,HCAN,Organize For America,Mich Citizen Action,NAACP as well as other Marxist Social justice groups. As you can tell they are not grass roots but organized labor. We need spies there to record everything they are saying and doing. This is a radical and dangerous group that have been known to hurt people they don't agree with. Send out this info to every conservative you know and ask them to show up and get intel. Act like you are one of them and befriend them.
ReplyDeleteJohn Amato “Will Bill O'Reilly issue a correction tonight?”
ReplyDeleteWho cares if he was wrong on who published the survey. His points was right on. But MM wants to make an issue of O'Reilly reporting about who publish what results or publish what links (Which, by the way, the NEJM did “publish” the link)
http://www.nejmjobs.org/rpt/physician-survey-health-reform-impact.aspx
AND Life News actual reported this “A new poll that should cause significant concerns for backers of the pro-abortion Senate health care bill finds nearly half the nation's physicians would consider quitting if the bill becomes law. The survey, appearing in the New England Journal of Medicine, indicates 46 percent of doctors would consider leaving their practice.”
http://www.lifenews.com/nat6137.html
Is Media Matter going to go after Life News, also. Or just attack O’Reilly?
Confirmed: Self-Righteous Envirnonmentalists Really are Jerks
ReplyDeleteFor years you could not stand those smug, holier-than-thou environmentalists who felt they corned the market on moral superiority. Well, consider yourself a good judge of character. The Daily Caller brings us the story:
When Al Gore was caught running up huge energy bills at home at the same time as lecturing on the need to save electricity, it turns out that he was only reverting to "green" type.
According to a study, when people feel they have been morally virtuous by saving the planet through their purchases of organic baby food, for example, it leads to the "licensing [of] selfish and morally questionable behaviour", otherwise known as "moral balancing" or "compensatory ethics".
Do Green Products Make Us Better People is published in the latest edition of the journal Psychological Science. Its authors, Canadian psychologists Nina Mazar and Chen-Bo Zhong, argue that people who wear what they call the "halo of green consumerism" are less likely to be kind to others, and more likely to cheat and steal. "Virtuous acts can license subsequent asocial and unethical behaviours," they write.
You always knew that those environmentalists who sneered down their noses at you because you didn't put your recycled glass and plastic at the curb every week and drove an SUV instead of a Prius were like arrogant jerks. Now there's a study to prove it.
Why do the liberals look down on everyone else? They think they are better then you and I and then blame the Christians for it.
ReplyDeleteIn addition to all it's other problems, economists also say the health care bill is a job killer, too. They point to all the tax hikes needed to pay for the new $1,000,000,000,000+ entitlement as slowing economic growth and job creation. 130 economists signed the letter below (also here) and sent it to the White House today.
ReplyDeleteDear President Obama and Congress:
As early as this week, the House of Representatives will vote on the Senate-passed health care bill as well as a reconciliation package making changes to the bill. While Speaker Pelosi asserts that health care reform will create four million jobs, we disagree. In our view, the health care bill contains a number of provisions that will eliminate jobs, reduce hours and wages, and limit future job creation.
New Taxes. The bill raises taxes by almost $500 billion over ten years. A significant portion of these tax increases will fall on small business owners, reducing capital and limiting economic growth and hiring.
New and Increased Medicare Taxes. An increase in the Medicare payroll tax included in the bill will affect small businesses employing millions of Americans. Over time, higher payroll taxes will decrease wages for these employees. And a new Medicare tax on investment income such as interest, dividends, and capital gains proposed by President Obama and likely included in the bill will threaten jobs and decrease economic growth.
Employer Mandate. The bill will impose a tax of $2,000 per employee on employers with more than 50 employees that do not provide health insurance. The bill will also tax employers that offer health coverage deemed “unaffordable” by the government. These new taxes on employers will reduce employment or be passed on to workers in the form of lower wages or reduced hours.
In addition to constricting economic growth and reducing employment, the health care bill will increase spending on health care and will increase the cost of health coverage. The new and higher taxes on America’s small businesses and workers included in the bill are detrimental to job creation and economic growth, especially now given the fragile state of the economy. The Congress should instead enact a health care bill that will reduce spending on health care, reduce the cost of health coverage for every American, and that does not harm the economy or cost jobs.
Administration/Progressives Nobama Health Care Plan is and Always Has Been a Shell Game With "NO PEA"!
ReplyDeleteCitizens GAIN Nothing From This Bill and Lose Their FREEDOM of Choice Period!
30 Million Crap Libs Give as Figure That This BILL Takes In is a Flat Out Lie!
All Citizens Have a Health Care Plan NOW if Uninsured MEDICADE! Medicade is Trillions In Debt SO Politicans Say Lets Do It Again BUT This Time Take The CITIZENS FREEDOM of Choice AWAY! This Administraion is SMOKE and MIRRORS and Has ONE Goal In Mind,CHANGING This Great Nation Into Big Government " Cradle to Grave Control" and To the Elected Politians WHO Swore a OATH to Protect This NATION, Well They SHOULD be Ashamed and Removed Come Election Time. The Only Problem is They Leave and This God Awful Bill Stays and Will In The END Send Us Down The Road To Socialized Everything!
Nobama Health Care! Progressives Shell Game With "NO PEA"! Government Gains Control, Citizens LOSE Freedom of CHOICE!
ReplyDeleteDoes Any Body Out there For ONE Minute Think This Crappy Bill Will NOT Go Belly Up or MORE Correctly OUR Economy Will With The Trillions This Will Cost! Look Back at Medicare/Medicade at Its Inception and See Where This Government Program Has Taken Countrys Defict!
This BILL Is Nothing BUT Progressives Last BEST Chance to Change OUR Countrys Way Of Life and Fabric! Its Not Legislation YET But Either Way We Must Never Take OUR Eyes Off This Administration and Its Agenda!