20% Think Hes Muslem. Big Deal. Getting Lost In This Very Minor Issue Is The Nation And How Its Being Ruled. Myself I Could Care Less If Nobama Was From Moon. He Is OUR Elected President. I Certainly Do Not Agree With His Ruling Or Ideaology But He Is Who Citizens Elected In 2008.
The What Religon He Is ,Is Not Important To Me ,Its What He And Regime Are Doing To The Country Period. All This Debate Does Is KEEP Real Issues From Being Debated Jobs/Economy Are Now On Back Shelf For Now And Regime/Liberals Will Keep This Unimportant Issue In Head Lines And WE As Citizens Again Take OUR Eye Off The Ball. I Personnelly Beleive Mosque Should Be Built At Different Location PERIOD. I Care Not Religion Of Any Politican. My Concern Is Politicans That Put Ideaology Over Nation NOW That Does Concern Me! Just My Opinion.
I understand your frustration but it really does matter as it pertains to Sharia Law and more to your point Sharia Finance vs. the U.S. Constitution and Capitalism respectively,,,,
I've made it clear I think he is Liberation Theology Christian or a Christian In Name Only(CINO). But he does seem to cowtow to the Muslims and screws over the Jews and Christians every chance he get's so I see why people don't think he's a Christian. It amazes me how many Muslims "know" he's Muslim.
While the announcement that conservative pundit Ann Coulter agreed to headline a party for gay conservatives may have ruffled some feathers on both sides of the debate over gay rights, the overall reaction has been surprisingly positive, a spokesman for the group hosting the event told The Daily Caller.
GOProud Executive Director Jimmy LaSalvia said that despite a few “predictable” voices of criticism from “the extreme right,” and the “far left,” the event has received a number of sponsorships from conservative groups, including one from Right Wing News, a conservative website. GOProud will announce more sponsors next week.
“We have been very pleased with outpouring of support we’ve received from conservative groups around the country,” LaSalvia said.
Some social conservative groups reacted to the news by condemning Coulter for agreeing to work with the group, calling on her to cancel her appearance.
“As a fan of Ann Coulter, it pains me to see her cave into political correctness and lend credibility to the phony homosexual ‘conservatives’ over at GOProud,” said Peter LaBarbera, founder of Americans United for Truth, a group that is an outspoken opponent to issues like gay marriage.
GOProud, a national organization that represents gay conservatives, will host the gathering in New York City on September 25 featuring Coulter, and the move has opened the door for discussion over whether there is room in the conservative movement for members of the gay community.
NEW YORK (AP) — The proposed mosque near ground zero drew hundreds of fever-pitch demonstrators Sunday, with opponents carrying signs associating Islam with blood, supporters shouting, "Say no to racist fear!" and American flags waving on both sides.
The two leaders of the construction project, meanwhile, defended their plans, though one suggested that organizers might eventually be willing to discuss an alternative site. The other, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, said during a Middle East trip that the attention generated by the project is actually positive and that he hopes it will bring greater understanding.
Around the corner from the cordoned-off old building that is to become a 13-story Islamic community center and mosque, police separated the two groups of demonstrators. There were no reports of physical clashes but there were some nose-to-nose confrontations, including a man and a woman screaming at each other across a barricade under a steady rain.
Opponents of the $100 million project two blocks from the World Trade Center site appeared to outnumber supporters. Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" blared over loudspeakers as mosque opponents chanted, "No mosque, no way!"
Signs hoisted by dozens of protesters standing behind police barricades read "SHARIA" — using dripping, blood-red letters to describe Islam's Shariah law, which governs the behavior of Muslims.
Steve Ayling, a 40-year-old Brooklyn plumber who carried his sign to a dry spot by an office building, said the people behind the mosque project are "the same people who took down the twin towers."
Opponents demand that the mosque be moved farther from the site where more than 2,700 people were killed on Sept. 11, 2001. "They should put it in the Middle East," Ayling said.
On a nearby sidewalk, police chased away a group that unfurled a banner with images of beating, stoning and other torture they said was committed by those who followed Islamic law.
A mannequin wearing a keffiyeh, a traditional Arab headdress, was mounted on one of two mock missiles that were part of an anti-mosque installation. One missile was inscribed with the words: "Again? Freedom Targeted by Religion"; the other with "Obama: With a middle name Hussein. We understand. Bloomberg: What is your excuse?"
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has fiercely defended plans for the proposed mosque, saying that the right "to practice your religion was one of the real reasons America was founded."
The mosque project is being led by Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, who insist the center will promote moderate Islam. The dispute has sparked a national debate on religious freedom and American values and is becoming an issue on the campaign trail ahead of the midterm elections. Republicans have been critical of President Barack Obama's stance: He has said the Muslims have the right to build the center at the site but has not commented on whether he thinks they should.
Rauf is in the middle of a Mideast trip funded by the U.S. State Department that is intended to promote religious tolerance. He told a gathering Sunday at the U.S. ambassador's residence in the Persian Gulf state of Bahrain that he took heart from the dispute over the mosque, saying "the fact we are getting this kind of attention is a sign of success."
"It is my hope that people will understand more," Rauf said without elaborating.
Democratic New York Gov. David Paterson has suggested that state land farther from ground zero be used for the center. Khan, executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement, expressed some openness to that idea on ABC's "This Week with Christiane Amanpour," but said she would have to meet with the center's other "stakeholders" first.
"We want to build bridges," Khan said. "We don't want to create conflict, this is not where we were coming from. So, this is an opportunity for us to really turn this around and make this into something very, very positive. So we will meet, and we will do what is right for everyone."
But Khan also said the angry reaction to the project "is like a metastasized anti-Semitism."
"It's not even Islamophobia. It's beyond Islamophobia," she said. "It's hate of Muslims."
At the pro-mosque rally, staged a block away from opponents' demonstration, several hundred people chanted, "Muslims are welcome here! We say no to racist fear!"
Dr. Ali Akram, a 39-year-old Brooklyn physician, came with his three sons and an 11-year-old nephew waving an American flag. He noted that scores of Muslims were among those who died in the towers, and he called those who oppose the mosque "un-American."
"They teach their children about the freedom of religion in America — but they don't practice what they preach," Akram said.
John Green, who lost a friend in the attacks, said that although organizers have the right to build the project, "I think if they moved it, they would get the respect of more Americans than if they play hardball." He was demonstrating in the group of mosque opponents.
Gila Barzvi, whose son, Guy, was killed in the towers, stood with mosque opponents, clutching a large photo of her son with both hands.
"This is sacred ground and it's where my son was buried," the native Israeli from Queens said. She said the mosque would be "like a knife in our hearts."
She was joined by a close friend, Kobi Mor, who flew from San Francisco to participate in the rally.
If the mosque gets built, "we will bombard it," Mor said. He would not elaborate but added that he believes the project "will never happen."
Rauf, in an interview with Bahrain's Al Wasat newspaper, said America's sweeping constitutional rights are more in line with Islamic principles than the limits imposed by some Muslim nations.
"American Muslims have the right to practice their religion in accordance with the Constitution of the United States," Rauf said. "I see the article of independence as more compliant with the principles of Islam than what is available in many of the current Muslim countries."
CP, that was either a mere coincidence or brilliant minds think alike, but had I referenced your writing i would be honest about that. I had not yet seen your post or your mention about Catholics when i put it here.
I was in my defense referencing a born again fundamentalist who i had worked with at Ford who brought up a touchy subject, the historic distrust between Southern baptists and Catholics. That is the "even Christian" comment.
"the fact we are getting this kind of attention is a sign of success." Boy, Rauf, is confused. How can 70% against this be success? Sounds like some of the left in this country think like Rauf.....
The deepwater drilling moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico would cost at least 23,000 jobs, according to a federal document that weighed the economic impact and alternatives to the drilling ban.
A six-month suspension would directly put 9,450 people out of work and indirectly affect nearly 14,000 other jobs, according to a memo from Michael Bromwich, the nation's top drilling regulator. The July 10 memo to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar outlined several options regarding the suspension of offshore drilling.
Salazar issued a moratorium in June, but it was struck down by a federal judge in New Orleans after oil and gas drilling interests said it wasn't justified following the Gulf oil spill.
The Obama administration issued a new moratorium July 13 - three days after the memo - that stressed new evidence of safety concerns. The White House hopes the revised ban will pass muster with the courts.
The moratoriums were put in place following the Deepwater Horizon rig explosion April 20 that killed 11 people. Millions of gallons of oil spilled into the Gulf after the rig sank.
Some energy experts, engineering consultants and Gulf Coast leaders have joined to ask Salazar to change his mind. Drilling was safe before the BP spill, they said, and Gulf communities that depend on the industry were suffering unfairly.
Problem With Moratorium Is Everybody Else Is Still Drilling. Some Where In This Event We Lose Jobs And Get To Import More Oil. Any Body Thinks We Will Not Depend On Oil For Decades Is Driving A Cart Pulled By A Donkey!
At least JFK could make a decision, unlike our current president-who still hasn't selected a church in DC. Furthermore, JFK was a loyal and trusted American Veteran. Maybe not loyal and trustworthy in his own relationship with his wife, but at least America never found out until after his death - so that makes it OK in the eyes of the Left. That's one area Pres. Clinton could have learned from "his hero".
yeah, Clinton could do that. But why? I mean just letting the right have most of the adulterers would be no fun. We want to play too. Why leave it to John Ensign, David Vitter, Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, John McCain, Bob Livingston, Mark Sanford, Rudy Giuliani and all the other conservative i didn't mention.
20% Think Hes Muslem. Big Deal. Getting Lost In This Very Minor Issue Is The Nation And How Its Being Ruled. Myself I Could Care Less If Nobama Was From Moon. He Is OUR Elected President. I Certainly Do Not Agree With His Ruling Or Ideaology But He Is Who Citizens Elected In 2008.
ReplyDeleteThe What Religon He Is ,Is Not Important To Me ,Its What He And Regime Are Doing To The Country Period. All This Debate Does Is KEEP Real Issues From Being Debated Jobs/Economy Are Now On Back Shelf For Now And Regime/Liberals Will Keep This Unimportant Issue In Head Lines And WE As Citizens Again Take OUR Eye Off The Ball. I Personnelly Beleive Mosque Should Be Built At Different Location PERIOD. I Care Not Religion Of Any Politican. My Concern Is Politicans That Put Ideaology Over Nation NOW That Does Concern Me! Just My Opinion.
Al,
ReplyDeleteI understand your frustration but it really does matter as it pertains to Sharia Law and more to your point Sharia Finance vs. the U.S. Constitution and Capitalism respectively,,,,
-Sharia-Compliant Finance Funds Jihad-
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25850
Al, of course it matters if he's a Christian, i mean we can't have people who believe in Allah or wear magic Underoos leading this nation.
ReplyDeleteHell 50 years ago they weren't sure you could be Catholic, and i think thats even Christian.
For God's sake CP he's not Islamic.
Joe,
ReplyDeleteIf you wish to know what my take on this subject matter is then visit a post I did on it yesterday.
I have invited you previously and see that you dropped by once and thanks for that, but here I was addressing Al and his valid concerns.
I went and saw your post after i wrote that.
ReplyDeleteYes Joe, I know you visited but it was before otherwise you would not have mentioned Catholic (Kennedy).
ReplyDeleteJoe, before you respond I said "visited" not "comment", I can read time as well as read English.
ReplyDeleteI understand more than you know, so be honest here my friend.
I've made it clear I think he is Liberation Theology Christian or a Christian In Name Only(CINO). But he does seem to cowtow to the Muslims and screws over the Jews and Christians every chance he get's so I see why people don't think he's a Christian. It amazes me how many Muslims "know" he's Muslim.
ReplyDeleteWhile the announcement that conservative pundit Ann Coulter agreed to headline a party for gay conservatives may have ruffled some feathers on both sides of the debate over gay rights, the overall reaction has been surprisingly positive, a spokesman for the group hosting the event told The Daily Caller.
ReplyDeleteGOProud Executive Director Jimmy LaSalvia said that despite a few “predictable” voices of criticism from “the extreme right,” and the “far left,” the event has received a number of sponsorships from conservative groups, including one from Right Wing News, a conservative website. GOProud will announce more sponsors next week.
“We have been very pleased with outpouring of support we’ve received from conservative groups around the country,” LaSalvia said.
Some social conservative groups reacted to the news by condemning Coulter for agreeing to work with the group, calling on her to cancel her appearance.
“As a fan of Ann Coulter, it pains me to see her cave into political correctness and lend credibility to the phony homosexual ‘conservatives’ over at GOProud,” said Peter LaBarbera, founder of Americans United for Truth, a group that is an outspoken opponent to issues like gay marriage.
GOProud, a national organization that represents gay conservatives, will host the gathering in New York City on September 25 featuring Coulter, and the move has opened the door for discussion over whether there is room in the conservative movement for members of the gay community.
Thats is so thin, it's transparent.
ReplyDeleteOK, I'm convinced.... NOT!
NEW YORK (AP) — The proposed mosque near ground zero drew hundreds of fever-pitch demonstrators Sunday, with opponents carrying signs associating Islam with blood, supporters shouting, "Say no to racist fear!" and American flags waving on both sides.
ReplyDeleteThe two leaders of the construction project, meanwhile, defended their plans, though one suggested that organizers might eventually be willing to discuss an alternative site. The other, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, said during a Middle East trip that the attention generated by the project is actually positive and that he hopes it will bring greater understanding.
Around the corner from the cordoned-off old building that is to become a 13-story Islamic community center and mosque, police separated the two groups of demonstrators. There were no reports of physical clashes but there were some nose-to-nose confrontations, including a man and a woman screaming at each other across a barricade under a steady rain.
Opponents of the $100 million project two blocks from the World Trade Center site appeared to outnumber supporters. Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" blared over loudspeakers as mosque opponents chanted, "No mosque, no way!"
Signs hoisted by dozens of protesters standing behind police barricades read "SHARIA" — using dripping, blood-red letters to describe Islam's Shariah law, which governs the behavior of Muslims.
Steve Ayling, a 40-year-old Brooklyn plumber who carried his sign to a dry spot by an office building, said the people behind the mosque project are "the same people who took down the twin towers."
Opponents demand that the mosque be moved farther from the site where more than 2,700 people were killed on Sept. 11, 2001. "They should put it in the Middle East," Ayling said.
On a nearby sidewalk, police chased away a group that unfurled a banner with images of beating, stoning and other torture they said was committed by those who followed Islamic law.
A mannequin wearing a keffiyeh, a traditional Arab headdress, was mounted on one of two mock missiles that were part of an anti-mosque installation. One missile was inscribed with the words: "Again? Freedom Targeted by Religion"; the other with "Obama: With a middle name Hussein. We understand. Bloomberg: What is your excuse?"
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has fiercely defended plans for the proposed mosque, saying that the right "to practice your religion was one of the real reasons America was founded."
ReplyDeleteThe mosque project is being led by Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, who insist the center will promote moderate Islam. The dispute has sparked a national debate on religious freedom and American values and is becoming an issue on the campaign trail ahead of the midterm elections. Republicans have been critical of President Barack Obama's stance: He has said the Muslims have the right to build the center at the site but has not commented on whether he thinks they should.
Rauf is in the middle of a Mideast trip funded by the U.S. State Department that is intended to promote religious tolerance. He told a gathering Sunday at the U.S. ambassador's residence in the Persian Gulf state of Bahrain that he took heart from the dispute over the mosque, saying "the fact we are getting this kind of attention is a sign of success."
"It is my hope that people will understand more," Rauf said without elaborating.
Democratic New York Gov. David Paterson has suggested that state land farther from ground zero be used for the center. Khan, executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement, expressed some openness to that idea on ABC's "This Week with Christiane Amanpour," but said she would have to meet with the center's other "stakeholders" first.
"We want to build bridges," Khan said. "We don't want to create conflict, this is not where we were coming from. So, this is an opportunity for us to really turn this around and make this into something very, very positive. So we will meet, and we will do what is right for everyone."
But Khan also said the angry reaction to the project "is like a metastasized anti-Semitism."
"It's not even Islamophobia. It's beyond Islamophobia," she said. "It's hate of Muslims."
At the pro-mosque rally, staged a block away from opponents' demonstration, several hundred people chanted, "Muslims are welcome here! We say no to racist fear!"
Dr. Ali Akram, a 39-year-old Brooklyn physician, came with his three sons and an 11-year-old nephew waving an American flag. He noted that scores of Muslims were among those who died in the towers, and he called those who oppose the mosque "un-American."
"They teach their children about the freedom of religion in America — but they don't practice what they preach," Akram said.
John Green, who lost a friend in the attacks, said that although organizers have the right to build the project, "I think if they moved it, they would get the respect of more Americans than if they play hardball." He was demonstrating in the group of mosque opponents.
Gila Barzvi, whose son, Guy, was killed in the towers, stood with mosque opponents, clutching a large photo of her son with both hands.
"This is sacred ground and it's where my son was buried," the native Israeli from Queens said. She said the mosque would be "like a knife in our hearts."
She was joined by a close friend, Kobi Mor, who flew from San Francisco to participate in the rally.
If the mosque gets built, "we will bombard it," Mor said. He would not elaborate but added that he believes the project "will never happen."
Rauf, in an interview with Bahrain's Al Wasat newspaper, said America's sweeping constitutional rights are more in line with Islamic principles than the limits imposed by some Muslim nations.
"American Muslims have the right to practice their religion in accordance with the Constitution of the United States," Rauf said. "I see the article of independence as more compliant with the principles of Islam than what is available in many of the current Muslim countries."
You heartless bastards.
CP, that was either a mere coincidence or brilliant minds think alike, but had I referenced your writing i would be honest about that. I had not yet seen your post or your mention about Catholics when i put it here.
ReplyDeleteI was in my defense referencing a born again fundamentalist who i had worked with at Ford who brought up a touchy subject, the historic distrust between Southern baptists and Catholics. That is the "even Christian" comment.
"the fact we are getting this kind of attention is a sign of success."
ReplyDeleteBoy, Rauf, is confused. How can 70% against this be success? Sounds like some of the left in this country think like Rauf.....
Mark Some Where In Progressiville 30% Is The Majority!
ReplyDeletePolls, Per Cents Are Getting Old. I Know Where I Stand And Poll Wont Make Difference Till Novemeber When Voters Cast Their Ballots!
The deepwater drilling moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico would cost at least 23,000 jobs, according to a federal document that weighed the economic impact and alternatives to the drilling ban.
ReplyDeleteA six-month suspension would directly put 9,450 people out of work and indirectly affect nearly 14,000 other jobs, according to a memo from Michael Bromwich, the nation's top drilling regulator. The July 10 memo to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar outlined several options regarding the suspension of offshore drilling.
Salazar issued a moratorium in June, but it was struck down by a federal judge in New Orleans after oil and gas drilling interests said it wasn't justified following the Gulf oil spill.
The Obama administration issued a new moratorium July 13 - three days after the memo - that stressed new evidence of safety concerns. The White House hopes the revised ban will pass muster with the courts.
The moratoriums were put in place following the Deepwater Horizon rig explosion April 20 that killed 11 people. Millions of gallons of oil spilled into the Gulf after the rig sank.
Some energy experts, engineering consultants and Gulf Coast leaders have joined to ask Salazar to change his mind. Drilling was safe before the BP spill, they said, and Gulf communities that depend on the industry were suffering unfairly.
Problem With Moratorium Is Everybody Else Is Still Drilling. Some Where In This Event We Lose Jobs And Get To Import More Oil. Any Body Thinks We Will Not Depend On Oil For Decades Is Driving A Cart Pulled By A Donkey!
ReplyDeleteAt least JFK could make a decision, unlike our current president-who still hasn't selected a church in DC. Furthermore, JFK was a loyal and trusted American Veteran. Maybe not loyal and trustworthy in his own relationship with his wife, but at least America never found out until after his death - so that makes it OK in the eyes of the Left. That's one area Pres. Clinton could have learned from "his hero".
ReplyDeletehey its drive-by...
ReplyDeleteyeah, Clinton could do that. But why? I mean just letting the right have most of the adulterers would be no fun. We want to play too. Why leave it to John Ensign, David Vitter, Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, John McCain, Bob Livingston, Mark Sanford, Rudy Giuliani and all the other conservative i didn't mention.