Monday, February 22, 2010

Bible Study In Government Run Schools

Associated Press smallBible in man's hands bigFRANKFORT, KY - Kentucky may follow the lead of Texas and other states in allowing Bible classes to be taught in public schools.

Kentucky's Senate Education Committee has unanimously approved legislation that would effectively return the Bible to the state's classrooms.

Democratic state Sen. David Boswell of Owensboro is sponsoring the legislation, which he said is modeled after a measure approved by Texas lawmakers some two years ago.

Boswell said he believes the legislation is constitutional because the Bible will be taught from a literary perspective, not a religious one. He said it calls for teaching, not preaching, the Bible.

The proposed Bible courses would be offered as electives, meaning schools could choose whether to offer them as a social studies credit and students could decide whether to take them.


  1. What is surprising here is that it is a democrat that is sponsering the legislation.

    I suppose though socialism is not too popular in Kentucky though.

  2. Great point Christopher. That is why I like to break things down into Conservative and Progressive. Instead of Democrat and Republican. There are Blue Dogs and they are a friend. Thanks to the Blue Dogs for holding up the health care reform bills. I think when push comes to shove we will either see the Reagan Democrats quiting or changing parties. A lot of Democrats are going over to the Libertarian Party. And when push comes to shove those Libertarian Democrats will vote for a Republican.

  3. My concern here is that it is just a matter of time before the Koran is also offered in a class.

  4. Or L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology crap ... Battlefield Earth 101? LOL

  5. John they have been preaching the Enviro-cult for a decade in the schools. There are religions in the school but they are all pagan in nature.

  6. Kentucky Had Better Be Ready For a CONVOY of A.C.L.U. Attorneys, They Will Fight GOD at EVERY Turn! I Do Agree That The Door Will Be Open For Numerous Religons! I Would Like to SEE a Prayer at the Start of Every Day But That To Has Been DELETED!

  7. Good and true point Chris. It will be nice for parents and children to have an alternative to socialist/communist indoctrination.

  8. John, I say go ahead and study the Quaran but do it right. Then all will know of the cult of death that it truly is. A good companion for study on the Quaran is 'Satanic Verses' by Salmon Rushdie, proving their so-called Allah is fallible and the Quaran is based on lies.

  9. Festival Of Faith at St.Luke Lutheran Church Clinton Twp. Mich. 586-791-1151. This Sat. Feb. 27 Sets are $5 and lunch is included. Child care will be there. All are welcome. It isn't a denomination Seminar. It's given by Dr. Francisco a well known Profesor of theology. The topic will be "God vs. gods" pointing out the differences between the worldly gods and the One True God. He will answer any questions you may have. He is awsome on his Islamic understanding. It is fron 9am-3pm and from 9am-10am it will be on AM1500. For any of you that like theology this will be agreat way to fill your minds. Joe you would love this guy. There is going to be child care if you need it.

  10. Chris, I know this is off point, but I thought your readers may find this interesting.

  11. (1). Any use of the phrase: 'Press 1 for English' is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait outside of our borders until you can.

    (2). We will immediately go into a two year isolationist attitude in order to straighten out the greedy big business posture in this country. America will allow NO imports, and we'll do no exports. We will use the 'Wal-Mart 's policy, 'If we ain't got it, you don't need it.' We'll make it here and sell it here!

    (3). When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it coming in here.

    (4). All retired military personnel will be required to man one of the many observation towers located on the southern border of the United States (six month tour). They will be under strict orders notto fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.

    (5). Social Security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin nuttin out. Neither the President nor any other politician will be able to touch it.
    (6). Welfare. -- Checks will be handed out on Fridays, at the end of the 40 hour school week, the successful completion of a urinalysis test for drugs, and passing grades.

    (7). Professional Athletes -- Steroids? The FIRST time you check positive you're banned from sports ... for life.

    (8). Crime -- We will adopt the Turkish method, i.e., the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more 'life sentences'.. If convicted of murder, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for the victim you killed: gun, knife, strangulation, etc.

    (9). One export of ours will be allowed: wheat; because the world needs to eat. However, a bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.

    (10). All foreign aid, using American taxpayer money, will immediately cease and the saved money will help to pay off the national debt and, ultimately, lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask The American People if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision as to whether, or not, it's a worthy cause.

    (11). The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.

    (12). The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.

  12. Thanks Paul for the story. I posted it. This will be bad for the "Whatever it takes" Democrats. They are doing things the Chicago/ACORN way.

  13. I think this is great! I'm sure it will be fought every step of the way, but hopefully will prevail!

  14. Remember Obummer's promise to cut out any government program that wasn't performing?

    Well ... guess what ... big surprise, he's a damn liar. What's more, he seems to enjoy doubling-down on loser programs. Like Head Start:

    HHS Accelerates Head Start Quality Improvements and Submits Impact Study on 2002-2003 Head Start Programs

    A Congressionally-mandated study on the impact of the 2002-2003 Head Start program was submitted to Congress on January 13, 2010. The study measured the cognitive and social/emotional development, health status and behavior of approximately five thousand 3 and 4 year olds who were randomly assigned to either a control group or a group that had access to a Head Start program.

    “These results make it clear that we need to build a more coordinated system of early care and education, and to focus on key improvements to teaching and learning in the early grades,” said U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan. “Through our collaboration with our partners at HHS, we have begun to tackle this challenge by identifying the key elements of high quality early learning programs, and studying what works to improve and sustain outcomes once children reach school.”

    The study showed that at the end of one program year, access to Head Start positively influenced children’s school readiness. When measured again at the end of kindergarten and first grade, however, the Head Start children and the control group children were at the same level on many of the measures studied.

    So, essentially, the program does nothing so Sebelius and Duncan want to dump even MORE money into it!! This program is 45 FRICKIN' YEARS OLD! Funded with your tax dollars for 45 years, epic fail, and they want to throw more money at it. And Obummer is all for it!

  15. Chris "A lot of Democrats are going over to the Libertarian Party. And when push comes to shove those Libertarian Democrats will vote for a Republican."
    I can attest to this in a similar manner.
    My wife has been a staunch Dem supporter all her adult life.... until Obama and company came along.... She voted in her first "Republican primary" this past Feb 2nd (we're in IL) and will not look back. She's done with them. :)

  16. It's a lot harder to coaks a Democrat to the Republican side. But it is a lot easier tom bring them over to the Libertarian that vote for Republicans when push comes to shove. The Libertarian party needs to start looking for the disenchanted Democrats. There are a lot of them around.

  17. lol...its not like Kentucky is the bastion of education anyways. Just we need more loopy fundie nuts.

    Its like the ultimate rightwing fundementalist championships these days. The muslim fundies vs. the Christian fundies and the rest of us in the crossfire.

    Lets be real, the only reason Chris is happy about this is because its a backdoor way to advocate a religion, his in a place that it shouldn't be. You guys are all for denying the constitution when it comes to your religion. Hypocrites.

  18. What are you afraid of, JoeC? That one child, somewhere, might be influenced by what he or she reads in the Bible, take it to heart and become a Christian?

    And how are you going to "protect" kids from that? Is it just Christianity you're going to protect them from, or all religions? So should schools not teach about Christianity, or Buddhism, or Islam -- and just leave our kids ignorant?

    Where does the thought police draw the line? Does separation of church and state (which doesn't apply in this situation, BTW) trump freedom of speech?

    Take the faith aspect out of it. How foolish is it that our children don't have exposure to one of THE MOST INFLUENTIAL pieces of literature in the history of man? Mohammed and Ghandi get a half-page each in my children's history books, but Jesus Christ gets a sentence. How does that truly reflect the events of history?? If nothing else, Texas and now perhaps Kentucky are at least giving the option of presenting a fuller view of world history.

  19. anon,
    I'm not afraid of anything. Its funny that christians think sex education should be a family only thing, but the christian religion should be taught in public schools. I'd rather have my son taught contraception in schools and religion at home.

    If the schools want to teach the literary aspects of religions then i am okay with it. If they want to backdoor the bible i am not. Use mulitple religions and its okay. Simple enough.

    when does the funde police stop trying to force us to be christians? Freedom of speech which doesn't apply in this case should not trump the advocation of religion by a government entity. We are specifically discussing the advocation of a religion.

    I doubt that any serious christian wants it discussed as a book written by man, assembled by man and the removal of and rejection of other gospels and books. but any discussion of it as literature should include those things and legitimate criticism of it works.

  20. JoeC -- Don't lump everyone who disagrees with you in one, big, "every-Christian" being.

    Your assertion that "Christians think sex education should be a family only thing, but the Christian religion should be taught in public schools" doesn't hold water.

    I DO want my child to learn about biology and sexual reproduction. I do NOT want teachers telling my children who it's okay to have sex with, or when.

    In the same way, I DO want my child to learn the basics of the Bible. I do NOT want teachers telling my children what to believe about what they've read, because frankly, even if they're Christian, they may not be my "stripe" of Christian, and they may be teaching something that's contrary to the faith I want to instill in my child.

  21. JoeC -- Some of your comments are exposing your lack of understanding in the role the Bible has played throughout history. "Serious Christian" that I am, I DO want the book discussed on many levels. Do you have any idea how many Biblical people and events have influenced our literature? Moby Dick, East of Eden, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Absolom Absolom, Faust -- those pop up in my mind without even trying. And what about the Christian influences on philosophy? World politics and history? It’s huge!

    To ignore these things is to remain just that: ignorant. And you're condemning our children to that same ignorance.

  22. JoeC moans, “When does the funde police stop trying to force us to be Christians?”

    As a Christian, I do indeed hope and pray that students might come to the faith by what they read in the Bible.

    But teaching the Bible in our classrooms doesn’t force anyone to be anything. Teaching is not the same thing as advocating. This freedom of speech – allowing free discussion of ideas, even if some might deem them “dangerous” – can work against Christians, too, because ideas contrary to the Christian faith are also discussed. There’s every chance that my child might become an atheist, for example, due to what he learns in science class.

    Are you willing to say that evolution shouldn’t be taught, either, because it might lead some children away from their personal beliefs in a Divine Creator? After all, evolution not a proven fact – it’s just a theory.

    Again, are the Thought Police going to come along and tell us which beliefs are okay, and which aren’t?

    Ideas can be dangerous things...


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