The crowd listens to speakers The future of America. ick. Does anyone out there think this is even close to 350 people? The only ones that seem to be saying how many people were there are the left wing bloggers. It is good to finaly see a peaceful rally with the left wing. Now the other thing that bothers me about the left wing and their rallies is they call us astroturf and blaming us for organizing and taking funds for organizations. But look at them and in addition to HCAN and OFA, the following groups were sponsors:
| Repower America | AFL-CIO |
| United Food & Commerc. Workers | SEIU |
| MichUHCAN | MI Citizen Action |
| UAW | Mich. Universalist Social Just. Net. |
| Reform Immigration of America | Planned Parenthood of MI |
| Women's Internatl. League for Peace & Freedom | Progress Michigan |
| AFSCME Council 25 | America Votes Action Fund |
| Unite HERE Local 24 | MoveOn.org |
| Ameinu Detroit | MOSES |
| Michigan Voice | ACCESS |
| Interfaith Council on Peace & Justice | Workmen's Circle/Arbeter Ring of MI |
| Health Care Now | SE Mich. Jobs with Justice |
| Detroit Metro Interfaith Committee for Worker Justice | Detroit Area Peace with Justice Network |
| Gray Panthers of Metro-Detroit | Mich. Alliance to Strengthen Soc. Sec. & Medicare |
| Mid-MI Coalition for Health Care Reform |
The hippies grew up. Not.
ReplyDeleteWhat “erks” me about the "Liberal Fools" organizing for something they "Don't Want" (if they only knew what's to become of their choices in reality). Read the bill before you organize for something that is detrimental to your own health and that of your loved ones. Prices are lowered through competition across state lines. Scrap all “state mandates” on everyone (even a single man) to be covered with maternity care and other non-related conditions, are absurd. Institute “Law Suit Reform” to limit damages to $500 thousand, and make the loser of the law suit bound by law to reimburse the winner on every case. This isn’t brain surgery – just simple solutions that lower cost and raise care.
ReplyDeleteChris, you haven't been paying attention. Anthem insurance just raised their premiums 39% in California and Maine. Do you really think there's competitiion in the market?
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That picture is only part of the room, idiot.
bfealk are you drunk? Smoking a fatty? I don't think Chris said anything about what you answered. It was Michael. And you tried to make fun of Chris by saying he wasn't paying attention. Slow down Turbo, I think you haven't been paying attention. So that makes you drunk,stoned or just stupid. Which is it bfealk? Are you drunk,stoned or just stupid? Why is it the slow ones making fun of others all the time?
ReplyDeleteBruce I went on the blog you posted and all the pictures are there. And there is no way there are 350-400 people there.
ReplyDeleteNo, FAILk, there ISN'T competition in the market, that's what we have been saying all along! What a maroon!! ROFLMAO
ReplyDeleteIf there WAS competition then those people could go elsewhere. So who cares what Anthem raises their prices to; if it's too high people can go somewhere else. Unless there's a monopoly, right?!?! God, you are the dumbest stump of them all.
I agree with John on that one. Bruce you don't make the left look good. But neither does Joe.
ReplyDeleteEven IF You Have Your Magic Number SO What!
ReplyDeleteOnly Numbers That Will Count Are in November and THAT You Wont Need a Camera For!
Nobama Has on His Agenda Socialized Health Insurance,Tax and Trade and Amnesty BEFORE the Election and Bruce Majority of Citizens Are NOT Going to Be Happy! In November Bring Your HAPPY Face Your GOING to NEED It!
Fealk, how many of the uninsured that you want us to pay for are smokers? I would contend that nobody who can afford to smoke should receive free insurance, they should pay for it themselves. Anything in Obamacare like that?
ReplyDeleteDaily Presidential Tracking Poll
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 22% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. That is the lowest level of strong approval yet recorded for this President.
41% Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -19. The Approval Index has been lower only on one day during Barack Obama’s thirteen months in office. The previous low came on December 22 as the Senate was preparing to approve its version of the proposed health care legislation. The current lows come as the President is once again focusing attention on the health care legislation.
Currently, 39% of voters nationwide favor the health care plan proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. 58% are opposed. Only 35% believe Congress should pass health care reform before the upcoming midterm elections. 54% say Congress should wait until voters select new congressional representatives in November.
Overall, 45% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. 54% disapprove.
Anon @ 17:00,
ReplyDeleteI like where you are going with that.
B. Hussein wants mandatory everything so all welfare recipients must be drug-tested and made to do (check this verbige here) 'mandatory volunteerism' 8 hours a day/ 6 days a week/12 months a year to earn their keep.
And how many are too fat? Or don't eat good foods. They have a scientific study showing that low calorie diets are the best. You fat people better be ready. Nothing is free.
ReplyDeleteJohn, how do you think the insurance companies are going to get competition, by selling across state lines, I suppose will be your answer, right. Well, guess what, a lot of the insurance companies are owned by the same corporations, with different names in different states, so there won't be much competition.
ReplyDeleteSo selling across state lines won't work, neither will tort reform take care of the problem.
The public option still polls above 65% as people wanting a government run public option, which what I hope the Democrats will give us as soon as they stop trying to be bipartisan. Kill the filibuster now.
Thanks for your opinion FAILk, but that's all it is, opinion. Hey FAILk, if you hate insurance so much, why do you have it? What a dumbass, and I'm trying to be polite so that's about as nice as I can say it! LOL
ReplyDeleteYeah FAILk, we know your position, only a socialist/communist system will work. Save it for your commie buddies, that clap-trap isn't going to fly with people who, you know, actually think things through.
So, FAILk, are you telling me that Anthem has a monopoly and everyone in California's hands are tied, they can't go anywhere else to get insurance that is less expensive? ROFLMAO ... I can't wait to see how you deflect this one FAILk. Why is it that we always directly address your idiotic statements, but you erect your lame straw-men? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA ... you make me laugh FAILk.
I about broke a rib laughing about your bipartisan statement. The Hypocrats never tried bi-partisanship. They wrote the legislation, without Republican input, and they had the SUPERmajority. Some of the Hypocrats knew what a boondoggle it was so they were hesitant to vote it through, but every Hypocrat has their price and it only took a little taxpayer-funded payoff to buy those idiots.
LOL ... I presented my poll of voters, showing how hated this Hypocrat steaming turd-pile is. I'm sure your dailykos shows different, so I hope the Hypocrats follow that poll and try to create some public option. That will seal the Hypocrats fate. Keep your head in the sand FAILk, you're only fooling yourself.
FAILk, admit it, you are a socialist. Or communist. You sure aren't a free-market capitalist. Please don't expose what a fool you are and confuse corporatism with capitalism. Or ... on second thought, please go ahead and do it and then we can rip into your stupidity! LOL
ReplyDeleteWhat cracks me up is that for someone who so hates health insurance ... yet still has it ... you sure are in a hurry to get the government to set (another failed, like Medicare) system up! LOL ... you just can't help but be a hypocrite, can you FAILk? Medicare, the biggest claim rejector of them all, and you want yet another beauty like that! Do you hate sick people FAILk?!?! Is it just you, or do all liberals hate sick people?
How about that fresh-faced newcomer young whippersnapper John Dingell FAILk?!?! Bet that guy has some great new ideas! ROFLMAO More of the same Hypocrat BS. Where are the fresh ideas FAILk?!?!
ReplyDeleteBetween him and that other lifetime public trougher Conyers that's over 100 years of teat-sucking and pathetic legislation that managed to destroy the Michigan automotive industry! Like one guy said, Dingell should be running for mummification, not a 28th time at the trough! LOL
Then the Hypocrats have Byrd, they have to roll him in on a hand-truck and then the big insurance or trial lawyers do their ventriloquist act with him. He just moves his mouth and his handler tells him how to vote. What a pathetic bunch of old farts the Hypocrats have assembled. Team Geriatric! ROFLMAO
This is what really cracks me up. I've said it before and I will say it again, even Axelrod said there are about 100 different versions of what a "public option" really is. It's like the Obama-version, it means whatever you want it to mean:
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Poll: Most Don't Know What "Public Option" Is -- Including Pollsters
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/poll-most-dont-know-what-public-option.html
And nowhere is it better illustrated than this analysis of two disparate polls that are so far apart from each other merely because of the way the question is asked:
http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m9d29-Rasmussen-and-CBS-polls-differ-greatly-on-public-option-in-health-care-and-there-is-a-reason-why
But FAILk, keep believing your religion of polls just like you do Gorebal Warming. You just keep revealing what an idiot you are.
bfealk-John, how do you think the insurance companies are going to get competition, by selling across state lines, I suppose will be your answer, right. Well, guess what, a lot of the insurance companies are owned by the same corporations
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Not according to the General Accounting Office
There are 1310 licensed carriers as of 2002.
This PDF also shows the largest in each state and their market share.
BCBS being one of the largest in the country.
Most of these smaller insurance companies can not sell in another state, unless approved by the state to operate with in it's boarders.
If a majority of these carriers were under a larger Corporation, they would have to run under the Corporate umbrella.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02536r.pdf
After a lot of thought and looking at a large number of sources i would be in favor of limiting non-economic damages through tort reform, provided a much more reliable method of determining economic damages was in place.
ReplyDeleteOOOOOOHHHH ... OUCH! FAILk gets called out again! BWAAAAHAHAHAHA!!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the link Mark. You've got some great blogs, I added you to my blog list.
Morning Joey! Try to stay off the roads, they're crap.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I don't know why they don't just enact some of these measures, like tort reform, right away. For instance, if they know where to eliminate all this waste and fraud out of Medicare, why are they tying it up with this massive takeover bill? It's been a year now, and that's one year's worth of waste and fraud that they have allowed.
It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't want to help on all the facets of health care. When things that would make a tangable difference in health care costs are left out of the bill it looks suspicious to most Americans. And 2,000 pgs to hide all kinds of pork and non-health care reform items in it. And if Americans have to pay for this health care reform then all Americans should have some "skin in the game". Why would the government make 'Cadillac" plans pay a tax. But not all of them have to pay the tax. The Big Labor unions don't have to pay a dime. That makes us pay for their share of the health care taxes. That will be the nail in the union coffin. Americans will turn on the unions and the Democrats for that injustice. Good luck in your next contract because you will not have the backing of the Americans people. And if you are a union member you better think twice about the possable lose of you health care insurance. You might be out of that great health care coverage and all that money the union get from their VEBAs wont go into your pockets. The UAW alone has over $1 billion. Why so much? How much will you make if you ever strick? It's not much that is for sure. How will the Democrats save you or themselves when they are taken out of power soon? You union members are the ones that should be at the TEA Parties. The TEA Parties are to put more money in your pocket and out of the Governments pockets. If you don't like that then give them extra every month. You give more for a change.
ReplyDeleteCitizens Are Not Happy With Either Party With this Health Care Debacle! Most Want Reform BUT Not Government Control! John Your Correct If This Whole Debacle was About Health Care Period, Actions Could/Should Have been Enacted by NOW! Citizens Arent DUMB and See the Fraud and Abuse in Medicare/Medicade and this is Government Controled Health Care. To Go to Another Government Run Health Care where FREEDOM of Choice is Excluded From Citizens Does Not fly With Most of Citizens! Medicare/Medicade Trillions in DEBT and to Start a New Program WILL Result in the Same CRAP Only ALL Citizens Will Be in the SOUP and They Aint Going to Buy It! November Will Be Interesting For BOTH Parties Especially ONES Pushing this SYSTEM!
ReplyDeleteI disagree Al, I'm very happy with the Republicans in the case of the health care debacle. They, the minority party, managed to stymie the Hypocrat's attempted RAM-THROUGH of their socialist, back-room conceived agenda. And let's be honest, that bill was conceived and written by big insurance, big pharma, trial lawyers and unions FOR the Hypocrats. There was no Republican input asked for, and none taken. The Hypocrat's version of "bipartisanship" means "vote with us or we'll call you the party of No".
ReplyDeleteAnd to think, the people that FAILk considers idiots and beneath him, this ultra-minority party, managed to outsmart the party that had the supermajority! ROFLMAO What does that make YOUR party FAILk?!?
Just wanted to let you know FAILk, Obummer's numbers are the same as yesterday. Really, really, really bad.
ReplyDeleteDaily Presidential Tracking Poll
Monday, February 22, 2010
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 22% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. That matches yesterday’s result as the lowest level of strong approval yet recorded for this President. 41% Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -19.
The only day that Barack Obama’s Approval Index ratings were lower than today was last December 22. Like today, that came at a time when the President was making a strong push for his proposed health care legislation. Most voters have consistently opposed that plan.
John We Can Disagree and Still Be Civil,How Great is That!
ReplyDeleteI Believe Also the Tea Partys Had More to Do With the Stalling of this BILL Than Any Thing Else! It Certainly Got the Blue Dogs Attention and I do Give Them Credit For Listening and Heeding Citizens Concerns! Those Politcans in Virgina,New Jersey and Massachusetts Did Not and PAID The Price!
This Thursday Meeting Should Be Interesting and I Hope Republicans HOLD to Their Beliefs!
They Now Will Be Asked Their INPUT into this Debate and They SHOULD Be OPEN and FRANK!
Citizens Brought on This Meeting NOT Nobama and at the Very Least Republicans NOW Should Be Leary! Their INPUT Was Not Needede or Listened to PRIOR to Elections! I Say Go in With OPEN Mind But KEEP Citizens Concerns INTACT!
Very good point Al, the Republicans and Blue Dogs definitely felt the pressure from the Tea Party Patriots. Who knows what would have happened, or how they would have voted/acted, had Americans not let their voices and opinions be known.
ReplyDeleteFunny ... the British get it. A majority of Americans get it. The only ones who don't get it are the Obummer worshippers. Keep your heads buried in the sand Cult of Obummer. It's going to make it that much easier to kick you in the ass!:
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Obama’s ‘Chicago mafia’ blamed for paralysis at the top
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7034910.ece
... More than a year into the administration, healthcare yet to be reformed, Wall Street banks continuing to pay huge bonuses and Guantanamo Bay prison still open, that mood of hope has turned to disillusion. Obama’s policy of engagement has yielded no progress in the Middle East or Iran; the war in Afghanistan continues to exact a big toll in lives and dollars; while the heaviest snow in Washington for 90 years seems to have stymied any hope of climate change legislation.
Critics say that by failing to move on from the “us versus them” feeling of the Obama election campaign, they have united an opposition that was in disarray. The result is legislative paralysis despite the biggest Dem majority in 30 years.
Evan Bayh, who had never lost a race and was expected to be re-elected in Nov., complained that the party’s recent loss of the Senate seat of the late Ted Kennedy should have been seen as a wake-up call. “Moderates and independents even in a state as Democratic as Mass. just aren’t buying our message,” he said. “They don’t believe the answers we are currently proposing are solving their problems.”
“This administration has managed to divide its friends and unite its enemies,” said Steve Clemons.
“Obama’s West Wing is filled with people who are in their jobs because of their Chicago connections or because they signed on early during his presidential campaign,” complained Doug Wilder, who in 1990s Virginia was America’s first elected black governor and was an early backer of Obama. “The deeper problem is that they are not listening to the people.”
Obama relies on 5 people, 4 of whom are Chicagoans. Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod and Jarrett, and Michelle, while the fifth kitchen cabinet member is Gibbs, who comes from Alabama.
The president consults them on everything. Military commanders were astounded when they participated in Afghanistan war councils and referred to them as the “Chicago mafia”. It was this group that inserted into Obama’s Afghan surge speech the deadline of July 2011 as a date to start withdrawing.
In Milbank’s view, Obama’s real problem is his other confidants, Jarrett, Gibbs and Axelrod, whom he describes as “part of the cult of Obama”, believing he is “a transformational figure who needn’t dirty his hands in politics”.
Douglas Schoen, former pollster for Clinton, believes the Obama team misinterpreted victory as an endorsement of his liberal agenda when it was really a reaction against Bush and the credit crisis. “They need to recognise there is only one fundamental issue in America: jobs,” he said.
Wow, big surprise, nothing but crickets chirping from FAILk's side. FAILk, what do you have to say about the Anthem whiners, what is keeping them from going to a less-expensive carrier?! How about your bald-faced lie that was exposed by Mr. Adams? Face it FAILk, you don't want freedom for people to do as they choose, you want the Federal Government to be your little nanny and tell the world how to operate. Fascist.
ReplyDeleteWell FAILk, what do you have to say about Harry Reid's stance on the filibuster not so long ago? This is hilarious, and I smell a new article for my blog about the hypocrisy of the Hypocrats! LOL Make sure you watch the video, he's pretty passionate about the filibuster and its importance!! BWAAAHAHAHAHA
Harry Reid's Filibuster Flip Flop
by Van Helsing
February 22, 2010
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/02/harry-reids-fil.html
The filibuster was an integral part of our country's history, up until Dems took control of the Senate:
Thank you Senator Reid, for explaining why the filibuster is so important — and why the Democrat majority wants to destroy it. Reid's words back when Republicans held the Senate, from a transcript at Fox News:
…when legislation is supported by the majority of Americans, it eventually overcomes a filibuster's delay, as public protests far outweigh any senator's appetite for filibuster. But when legislation only has the support of the minority, the filibuster slows the legislation, prevents a senator from ramming it through and gives the American people enough time to join the opposition.
Mr. President, the right to extended debate is never more important than when one party controls Congress and the White House. In these cases, the filibuster serves as a check on power and preserves our limited government. …
For 200 years we've had the right to extended debate [i.e., filibuster]. It's not some procedural gimmick. It's within the vision of the founding fathers of our country. … They established a government so that no one person and no single party could have total control.
Some in this chamber want to throw out 214 years of Senate history in the quest for absolute power. They want to do away with Mr. Smith, as depicted in that great movie, being able to come to Washington. They want to do away with the filibuster. They think they're wiser than our founding fathers. I doubt that that's true.
Now if they could just use the "reconciliation" power play to quash the filibuster and ram through legislation that would ban keeping video of Democrats long enough to prove that they are completely full of BS.
Thanks John, glad you like the blog. hope you'll follow it.
ReplyDeleteI don't get a chance to write to often, but when I do, it's worth the read, I think.
Chris said-"Why would the government make 'Cadillac" plans pay a tax. But not all of them have to pay the tax. The Big Labor unions don't have to pay a dime."
ReplyDeleteActually if this does make the final cut in this piece of... well you know....bill, it would most likely be struck down in the courts as being un-constitutional by virtue of Article 1 Sec 8 of the US constitution. "but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States"
Obama must know that as he is a constitutional lawyer prof. Maybe Obamqa is trying to divide the country. That does seem to be what the community agitator does best.
ReplyDeletehey, atleast they got more than the TEA BAGGERS at Cobo during the Auto Show...!
ReplyDelete"Charlie Gennara thought there would be a sizable showing for a planned "tea party" protest outside the annual international auto show in Detroit on Monday.
For the first 45 minutes, though, it was just him and one other person voicing their displeasure"
To Whom it May Concern ONLY Numbers that REALLY Count Will Be CAST in NOVEMBER till Then ALL Else is MOOT! You Know Like Massachusetts, New Jersy and Virginia! So Easy YET So Hard For Some!
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