Friday, March 12, 2010

The Democrat Idea Of Health Care Reform

Why would anyone have a problem with using our tax money to do this to innocent babies? If you support   this bill you support this action on innocent children.Ask youself what kind of people call this a choice and support a health care bill that wants to make everyone pay for this?


  1. STOP OBAMACARE12 March, 2010 15:47

    Dear Fellow American,

    Barack Hussein Obama has spoken.

    YOU, the American people, have decided NOT to listen!

    Mr. Obama's LIES have been uncovered!

    During last week's "bipartisan health care summit" and this week's News Conference, Mr. Obama threatened Republicans with the "Nuclear Option" of the "reconciliation process" (a way for the majority liberal Democrats in Congress to block debate and stop a filibuster on OBAMACARE). He told them, "Americans aren't interested in Congressional procedures, and most think a majority vote makes sense." His comments are a sign of complete arrogance---as the highly respected Rasmussen poll shows that a MAJORITY of Americans do NOT want OBAMACARE to pass!

    Not only is Mr. Obama IGNORING THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, but he has LIED---yes, I said that he has LIED---in reference to "reconciliation" and the "nuclear option."

    Now the tables are turned from a few years ago---the Democrats (just for a few more months in the majority in Congress if we here at the Republican Majority Campaign have anything to say about it!!!) complained to the then Republican majority about their use of a "reconciliation" process. Then Senators Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Harry Reid vehemently spoke against its use in the Congressional process! They then claimed that "reconciliation" was an "abuse of power" when it was used as the Senate rules intended it to be used - for reconciling the House and Senate versions of budget bills.

    But, last week, Barack Obama threatened to use it in a way that Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia (the designer of the process) never intended it to be used:

    TO RAM THROUGH A MASSIVE $2.5 TRILLION bill that will forever impact ONE-SIXTH of the economy of the United States of America! THIS BILL, OBAMACARE, MUST BE STOPPED, AND IT MUST BE STOPPED NOW!

    Chris this is one of the best blogs I've visited. The pictures tell the story of Obamacare and what it will do to future generations.

  2. They are sick people. How could anyone think it's a right to kill those babies,let alone make us pay for it?

  3. It's okay to pay for killing babies in other countries? Just as long as we euphemistically refer to it as "Collateral Damage"...

  4. Over at the National Review Online (NRO), Robert Costa tells us about a telephone interview Bart Stupak had with NRO. In the interview, Stupak tells us about how Pro-Life Dems are starting to cave under pressure from the White House, Pelosi, unions and the nutroots.

    The part of the interview that made my stomach churn was the attitude of Democrat House leaders that Stupak describes as follows:
    Stupak notes that his negotiations with House Democratic leaders in recent days have been revealing. “I really believe that the Democratic leadership is simply unwilling to change its stance,” he says. “Their position says that women, especially those without means available, should have their abortions covered.” The arguments they have made to him in recent deliberations, he adds, “are a pretty sad commentary on the state of the Democratic party.”
    What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says. “Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America? If money is the issue — come on, we can find room in the budget. This is life we’re talking about.” [MORE]
    There is only one way to describe such thoughts and that is EVIL! Facilitating abortion that snuffs out innocent human life, all for the sake of saving government money is EVIL. Knowing that the money “saved” will not doubt end up wasted on fraud and corruption is even more EVIL. If having the government run health care means we all have to accept such concepts, then I say kill this evil bill right here and right now.

    Grung are you saying that it's OK to abort babies because of war? That is just as stupid as you can get.

  5. When are you people going to get it, this is a health care bill, not an abortion bill?

    You are so desperate that you need to do this? I feel really sad for you that you have sunk to this.

    If you want your representatives to introduce legislation dealing with abortion, do it, but don't use abortion to try to deny millions of Americans health care.

  6. Bruce Once Again How Many Uninsured STAY Uninsured Under the Bill? If the Purpose Was To Insure ALL It Missed.

    Pelosi Does NOT Have VOTES Yet! Politicians Have To STILL Decide What There NEXT Occupation Will Be Cause Most Will Certainly PAY for THEIR Vote! Most Politicans WANT to STAY a Member of The ELITE 535 So Time Will Tell.

    Still Think You Got a One Termer On Your Hands. He Continues to PUT His Agenda Before Citizens BRUCE and That Very Well Could Catch Up to Him Down the ROAD!

  7. Cliff, here try and follow, I realize it will be difficult for you since you have the Republicans Talking Points embedded in you.

    An argument about rejecting the Healthcare Overhaul is that it would be immoral to make people who are opposed to abortion pay for it via taxation, i.e. that money taken in Federal tax Dollars might be used to fund an abortion.

    Specific Legislation was crafted to ensure that would not happen. And is currently on the books.

    But, Republicans and conservatives have no qualms about Federal Tax Dollars, to the Tune of 5 Trillion under Bush, and 700 Billion+ under Obama going to the Department of Defense for the manufacture of weapons and the maintenance of Globe Spanning Bases.

    Now, I know this may be difficult for you to understand, Cliff, but sometimes weapons systems don't have 100% efficiency and sometimes there are ND's or mistaken identities by our incredibly brave service members.

    And because of those accidents INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE, including Children and Babies, but to the soulless Conservatives these incidents are okay because the they fall under the banner of "Collateral Damage".

  8. Grung, you are out of your mind.

    Nobody wants war. Nobody wants collateral damage. Talk about talking points, all I hear is DailyKos nonsense coming out of your mouth.

    So Grung, what you are saying is that the wars that Hypocrats also voted for (we couldn't have done it without you Hypocrats!) is somehow all conservative and Republican? Like, when Obama sent more troops into Afghanistan, that was those war-mongering Republicans?!?! LOL ooooooookaaaaaaay.

    How about YOU try to keep up with reality there Grung?

    So, like Cliff says, as long as we are at war then aborting babies is acceptable? Or are you just looking for any reason to sling an attack at conservatives/Republicans?

  9. Comrade Bruce, you also are out of your mind. It's Hypocrats like the Stupak 12 that are saying this government takeover of healthcare is going to pay for abortions:

    ‘They Just Want This Over’ [Robert Costa]

    Sitting in an airport, on his way home to Michigan, Rep. Bart Stupak, a pro-life Democrat, is chagrined. “They’re ignoring me,” he says, in a phone interview with National Review Online. “That’s their strategy now. The House Democratic leaders think they have the votes to pass the Senate’s health-care bill without us. At this point, there is no doubt that they’ve been able to peel off one or two of my twelve. And even if they don’t have the votes, it’s been made clear to us that they won’t insert our language on the abortion issue.”

    According to Stupak, that group of twelve pro-life House Democrats — the “Stupak dozen” — has privately agreed for months to vote ‘no’ on the Senate’s health-care bill if federal funding for abortion is included in the final legislative language. Now, in the debate’s final hours, Stupak says the other eleven are coming under “enormous” political pressure from both the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.). “I am a definite ‘no’ vote,” he says. “I didn’t cave. The others are having both of their arms twisted, and we’re all getting pounded by our traditional Democratic supporters, like unions.”

    Stupak says he also doesn’t trust the “Slaughter solution,” a legislative maneuver being bandied about on Capitol Hill as a way to pass the Senate bill in the House without actually voting on it. “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me,” he says. “I don’t have a warm-and-fuzzy feeling about what I’m hearing.”

    Stupak notes that his negotiations with House Democratic leaders in recent days have been revealing. “I really believe that the Democratic leadership is simply unwilling to change its stance,” he says. “Their position says that women, especially those without means available, should have their abortions covered.” The arguments they have made to him in recent deliberations, he adds, “are a pretty sad commentary on the state of the Democratic party.”

    If Obamacare passes, Stupak says, it could signal the end of any meaningful role for pro-life Democrats within their own party. “It would be very, very hard for someone who is a right-to-life Democrat to run for office,” he says. “I won’t leave the party. I’m more comfortable here and still believe in a role within it for the right-to-life cause, but this bill will make being a pro-life Democrat much more difficult. They don’t even want to debate this issue. We’ll probably have to wait until the Republicans take back the majority to fix this.”

    “Throughout this debate, even when the House leaders have acknowledged us, it’s always been in a backhanded way,” he laments. “I’m telling the others to hold firm, and we’ll meet next week, but I’m disappointed in my colleagues who said they’d be with us and now they’re not. It’s almost like some right-to-life members don’t want to be bothered. They just want this over.”

    And the politics of the issue are pretty rough. “This has really reached an unhealthy stage,” Stupak says. “People are threatening ethics complaints on me. On the left, they’re really stepping it up. Every day, from Rachel Maddow to the Daily Kos, it keeps coming. Does it bother me? Sure. Does it change my position? No.”

  10. One is fighting a war with us. The other was just born to the wrong mother in the wrong country. Why is it you don't care about the truely inocent babies being killed. But in a WAR you call it murder? What about the MILLIONS of Iraqis that died before we ever got in the war? What about the Kurds and the killing of women so the men didn't have to get devorced from them? Don't act like this war is about the killing of inocent people. Inocent people died in Iraq in much greater numbers before we freed them. You tend to forget the Iraqi's in the streets cheering as we came down them to free them. But you don't care about the lives of any people. You just want to use the deaths of them as a tacktic to make a half truth point You libs always forget the other half that goes against you heart fealt bleeding heart BS. Right now the libs what abortion in the health car3e bill because it is cheeper to kill the babies then to give them health care. And you act like you care???lol. You only care about those that hate this copuntry and want to "fundamentaly change" it. Nice try though.

  11. Comrade FAILk, riddle me this:

    If this government takeover of health care is such a great bill, why don't the Hypocrats campaign on it this year? They could tell American that if they vote in a Super-majority again, they can pass the bill that they want to. I mean, this bill is such a winner, the Hypocrats could win in a land-slide, right? They could campaign on a bill with a Public Option, or better yet, Single Payer!! Think of the victories the Hypocrats would have!

    Also Comrade Bruce, can you explain to me how the deficit would be reduced by adding 30 million (plus 15 million illegals) to private insurance? It's interesting how the Hypocrat economic mind works. Adding 45 million to the finite-resources health care system and prices are going to go down, and magically the deficit will be reduced? Get back to me on that one Comrade Bruce, I'm all ears on this magical program to provide hundreds of millions to big insurance.

  12. Great point John. Nobody wants collateral damage but the liberals do want abortion and the killing of babies. They think it is another persons right to end their life(American). If they were doing this killing of babies in another poor country we would be calling them savages. What kind of culture says it's not OK to protect yourself with weapons and it's good to have the right to kill another American that hasn't had it's first breath?

  13. Another great point John. Why don't they run on it? The Republicans are going to run on the fact that they are against it.

  14. John this bill is so great it somehoe costs us money to same money. How does that work? If Bruce gives me $1000 I'll give him $10. That makes sense doesn't it?lol. John we should start a business selling to liberals. They will buy anything.

  15. Democrats will be running on health care reform, you can bet your life on it and I guess Republicans will be running on repealing it.

    Good luck with that.

  16. LOL .... Hypocrats will be running FROM their bill come November, that I will bet my life on. LOL

    Comrade Bruce, you never answer my simple questions. You're a real A-Hole. Here Chris gives you a forum to explain the government takeover of health care, to defend it and promote it, and you can't even do that.

    Joe answers any questions we ask of him, and gives replies that make us think and debate. Comrade Bruce just pukes out the latest MoveOn talking point. LOL

  17. I do have to give it to Joe and vomamike. John you are right they do get me thinking. Bruce just does the talking points and wordsmithing. When I read some of those replies to Bruces paper mache head post I see how good Bruce is for our side. The reason I let both sides post responces is because I'm confident in my views being strong enough to clearly win the debate. I want to hear both sides because that is how I make up my mind. I don't want to sound like Bruce standing behind an idealogy just because that is what moveon.orgMaddcow,Olbortmann or the Democratic party said to do.


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