Arizona Brace Yourself Because The Violent Liberals Are Coming Unhinged Again
California Texas (watch until the end when illegal immigrants take over the city hall at a town meeting) Video from Reno of Mexican flag being flown above US Flag, United Sates Army vet cuts it down
Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, called on President Barack Obama to fight a new law signed Friday in Arizona that gives police power to request ID from suspected illegal immigrants. Grijalva, speaking at a rally Sunday at the Arizona state Capitol, asked Obama to not cooperate with the law, according to the Associated Press.
"We're going to overturn this unjust and racist law, and then we're going to overturn the power structure that created this unjust, racist law," Grijalva said.
Nearly a week ago, Grijalva and Reps. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) asked Obama to shun the law. On Friday, hours before Gov. Jan Brewer signed the bill into law, Obama criticized it. "The recent efforts in Arizona ... threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans as well as the trust in police and their communities that are so crucial to keeping us safe," Obama said.
"Our message today is: 'Mr. President we listened, and we came out in record massive numbers to support you,'" said Gutierrez at the rally. "We need you to support us today." Grijalva, who has previously called for an economic boycott of Arizona over the bill. The controversial part of the bill text reads that law enforcement officials are required to "determine the immigration status of a person during any legitimate contact made by an official or agency of the state ... if reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S." If Obama does what Grijalva wants by not following the law then they need to be brought up on charges just like every citizen of the USA. If Obama breaks the law then he needs to pay the price. It is high time that the Democrats learn that we are a nation of laws not men. Nixon and Clinton learned it the hard way and I suspect that Obama will too but we will see. As Mark Adams pointed out 60% of Arizona's residents approve of the bill. So who the hell thinks they have the right to ignore this law?
Following Arizona’s passage of a tough new immigration law, Barack Obama described the law as “misguided” and implied that Arizona was being “irresponsible” by trying to protect its lawful citizens.
Surprisingly (to me, at least), Senator John “the Maverick” McCain responded:
“If the president doesn’t like what the Arizona Legislature and governor may be doing, then I call on the president to immediately call for the dispatch of 3,000 National Guard troops to our border and mandate that 3,000 additional Border Patrol [officers] be sent to our border as well,” McCain said at a news conference Friday in downtown Phoenix, according to a report in the Arizona Republic.
“And that way, then the state of Arizona will not have to enact legislation which they have to do because of the federal government’s failure to carry out its responsibilities, which is to secure the borders.”
Good idea, especially considering that Mexican military border incursions have continued unabated for years now. Perhaps the National Guard can help with that, along with stemming the tide of illegals.
Where was the Good John McCain during the 2008 election? Where was that McCain in 2005 and 2007 when “immigration reform” was proposed? Maybe Bad John has given way to Good John in the wake of a strong primary challenge from J. D. Hayworth? Amazing what a little competition will do. Now if only he’ll remember it.
Arizona can pass race base laws, pass Birthers laws and the state can continue to boycott Martin Luther King Day, well the rest of the Country can boycott the state of Arizona and spank them where it hurts them the most their pocket book. Their phony patriotism is sickening, they are just racists going by another name. We all know you are just itching to put a sheet on their head? Let’s face it the Republicans had eight years to deal with health care, immigration, climate change and financial oversight and governance and they failed. It appears that the Republican Party is only good at starting wars (two in eight years, with fat contracts to friends of Cheney/Bush) but not at winning wars as seen by the continuing line of body bags that keep coming home. The Republicans party will continue turned inward to their old fashion obstructionist party (and their Confederacy appreciation roots) because they continue to allow a small portions (but very loud portion) of their party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” to rule their party. I will admit that this fringe is very good at playing “Follow the Leader” by listening to their dullard leaders, Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush, Savage, Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and the rest of the Blowhards and acting as ill programmed robots (they have already acted against doctors that perform abortions). The Birthers and the Tea party crowd think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey than the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. The world is complicated and people like Hamilton, Lincoln, and Roosevelt believed that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now it’s about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. For a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, it is tragic that the ranks are filled with too many empty suits and the crazy Birthers who have not learned that the way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked internet lies, then, and only then, do you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called “facts”. Let’s face it no one will take the Birthers seriously until they win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. I heard that Orly Taitz now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC), she wants to re-establish a family values party, that’s like saying that the Catholic Church cares about the welling being of children in their care, too late for that.
If AZ wants a war we will give them a war. And yes we will be taking it to a city near you. You whites haven't seen anything yet. We only just started.
Hey Anny. Before You Start Put Brain In Gear, Threats Gee Left Has Never Tried That One Before! Remain Calm And Of Coarse Take Your Meds! Have A Great Day!
One month after the much-ballyhooed Coffee Party gatherings, Newsweek interviews Annabelle Park, leader of the Astroturf Coffee Party. What we learn is that Coffee Party members are, surprise, surprise, hardcore lefties who do not want civility but payback. Newsweek: When Annabel Park imagined what it would be like to head a new national political movement, here is what she had in mind: a coming together of engaged, intelligent citizens who had tired of the angry rhetoric and accusations of the Tea Partiers; Americans of all political persuasions joining in a spirit of equanimity to discuss the nation's problems, and maybe even share a laugh. It was this beautiful vision that danced in Park's head on a recent Saturday as she made her way to Busboys and Poets, a cafe in Washington, D.C., for one of nearly 500 Coffee Party meetings taking place nationwide that day. She knew the house would be full—word had spread quickly on the group's swelling Facebook page. Park, a documentary filmmaker, was especially pleased that C-Span had arranged to broadcast the meeting. But from the moment folks in the crowd stood up to speak their minds, Park knew these people had not come to sip cappuccinos and set an example of civility for an overheated nation. They were angry. They hated the Tea Party, and the Republican Party. They wanted to get even. One audience member said America was under the thumb of oligarchs and denounced "moneyed interests." A few people hissed when Sarah Palin's name was mentioned. Also on hand were the usual suspects drawn to the C-Span bat signal. A man representing Code Pink, the left-wing protest group, said that "racism was the basis for everything that's going on right now." He also seemed to have a real problem with "fear-based rhetoric" and Northrop Grumman. Park, a 42-year-old Korean-American with a smile that can only be described as "kind," regularly tried to steer the talk back to the group's more centrist principles. But when someone asked how many people in the room were Republicans, all 80 hands remained down. "I like the civility idea, but I hate the Tea Party people," said attendee Karen Anderson. By the end of the event, some in the crowd had decided the movement, barely two months old at the time, needed a new leader. China Dickerson, a 26-year-old community organizer, said the Coffee Party wouldn't last "unless we get someone a little more powerful to head it." She wanted a rabble-rouser, "not someone that says we can all work together." Park seemed a little rattled after the meeting. "If they want to fire me, this may not be the group for them," she said later. "We don't want conflict and confrontation." Well so much for that bi-partisan civility nonsense. The media has made much noise about the “anger” of the Tea Parties. This so called anger is really passion. Passion against what many see as an illogical direction the nation has taken, large deficits, wild spending and a congress that is interested in issues best suited for its immediate needs rather than the people’s immediate needs.
To think one could counter the Tea Party’s passion with quietly sipping coffee and making signs is pretty ridiculous. Of course, most of the folks who showed up for the Coffee Party kick off would be hardcore lefties looking to combat the coffee party. Given the Coffee Party’s Astroturf roots, aren’t angry lefties what they were going for from the start?
I don’t see the Coffee Party growing into anything more than numbers on a Facebook page. Unless they rip the mask off and come out as angry leftist looking to support Obama’s hard left agenda and challenge the Tea Parties, many will simply lose interest in it and move on.
"Legal" Hispanic citizens are overwhelmingly for this Arizona legislation. They worked hard to get where they are. They respect this country and its laws, and care very little for their former country-men and -women who make them look bad. Obama can keep concentrating on making the DemocRATS look bad, he's doing a fantastic job of it.
All they have to do is start arresting these rioters and send them home to Mexico if they are here illegally. That will take care of future riots. As we all know most of the rioters are here illegally anyways.
Joe you and I both know that isn't what the law says. They will be going after the light skinned as well as the dark skinned latinos.lol. People are over reacting to this state law that follows the federal law. What would you do to secure the state? Why isn't Washington doing their job? All I know is when I lived and worked in Japan I had to have a green card(gaijin toroksho)with me at all times. I also must carry my drivers licens with me here in MI. And by the way Mexico has this same law in effect for their own country. If you can't prove you are American then you need to go. You all want to be like the rest of the world well this is it. All states should have a protection of it's citizens above illegals.
WOW, never thought I'd see liberal anarchist in my life time. :) And good for that Vet, proud American. Some on the left like to think this is racial profiling. It's actual immigration profiling. Sharpton best remember this when he shows up down there.
Chris, i am sure that the Zona gypsy groups will be the first targeted, but it is still a law based on profiling. I see no other way to enforce this law.
Anyone of Mexican or Hispanic decent will be subject to a different degree of scrutiny than non-Hispanics in Arizona and that is the reality of how this law will be enforced. Thats strikes me as a unconstitutional attack on the lawful citizen's rights. You guys on the right always cry about the constitution but then don't mind bending it when it comes to a minority group, like gay marriage/ racial profiling. Too bad.
As long as the straight caucasians aren't subject to the restriction then your okay. Too bad for everyone else.
These hysterically violent libtards and crap slinging baboons are at their absolute wackadoo nuttiest when they can scream and rant in public, putting their idiocy on full display.
Hey Batboy, you haven't explained how this law is unconstitutional. It all depends on how they carry it out, doesn't it?
I love how the loony left goes off half cocked without even examining the facts.
You want an easy way out, leftard wingadings? Petition congress to strike down our immigration laws (which they don't enforce anyway). That simple. Case closed.
Here is one section that is pertinent to this discussion:
A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license. 2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license. 3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification. 4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.
Yeah, your right Joe, there is a violation of the constitution being had there. Since these are illegal immigrants, and the Federal Government not acting, the state holds the power. In defiance of the Constitution for the Federal Government not to act; The 14th Amendment, Equal protection clause, requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all CITIZENS within their jurisdiction. Also Article 1, Section 8 requires congress to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel INVASIONS. Article 1 Section 10, clause 3, No State shall.... engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
hey, i like how Silverfiddle calls a bunch of Hispanics baboons. Brings to mind the old black person being called a monkey thing on a mexican themed rant. good job brother.
Marc, now your being a little toadie. Your not being INVADED. not in the sense the constitution was referring to. What stupid ass way to play semantic word games.
Baboons are from Asia Joe. And since any of the great apes or monkey are most like us and those liberals were acting like animals t5hat is where you have it. Joe what do you call it when thew Mexicans come over our boarders by the MILLIONS illegaly? I would call it an invation. I enjoyed learning from both Silverfiddle and Mark Adams.
On top of what Chris replied, Joe, there is also a drug war going on at the boarder. And its spilling over on to American soil. And some Americans have been killed down there. Did you also hear about an American rancher was killed down there. This is getting serious, Joe. And the US Government need to protect the boarder.
Nice try, batboy. This statement applies to all lefty protesters who enjoy acting like idiots for the entertainment of the sane Americans. Remember the G8 summits, anti-war, all the anti-bush hatefests?
"These hysterically violent libtards and crap slinging baboons are at their absolute wackadoo nuttiest when they can scream and rant in public, putting their idiocy on full display."
I also noticed you didn't answer my question.
Typical lefty agitprop, Batboy. When your type is not slinging crap, you're screaming out false charges. Anything to keep from engaging in a debate that would expose your gross ignorance.
I also posted links and excerpts from the law, but not of the DemoDingbats want to address that.
This is just an id-driven diaper rash rant on the part of the left. Facts? Who needs 'em?
Joe You Really Are On Edge Lately. Baboons Do Throw Their Crap Sorta Like You And Your Racist Remarks Joe. You Rant, Race Bait And Then POOF Your Gone>
Hey Joe One Last Thought What Do You Call Illegals That Throw Water Bottles At Police Officers Doing Their Duty Or In Your World Is That Also Not a Crime When The Illegals Do It!
Just Like a Liberal/Progressive Worry About What a Baboon Does With His Crap But Not What Criminals Do With Water Bottles and Joe Until Government Changes Laws, Which With This Regime Is a Possibility. Illegals Are Criminals Being Subsidized By Tax Payers Which In Your World Is A Good Thingy!
Al, i'm not an expert on shit throwing primates like you, so i'll take your word for it. Naturally being the mayor of hooterville and aconservative you'd be pretty knowledgeable on methods of shit throwing.
As for Race baiting, nah i just call em like i see em. John Roberts and i are just referees, calling balls and strikes. I bring up race and ethinicity out there when it obvious that it is part of the discussion. You throw talking points around without any regard for reality.
Chris, like many old world monkeys the Baboon makes his home in East Africa. Got that straight from Nat Geo.
Silverfiddle, whats up with the name calling. Any time i do it theres some sort of "he has no argument speach posted" Guess that applies to you as well.
As for being unconstitutional, its pretty simple to me. The bill is likely to result in the unfair profiling of hispanic citizens and create an unfair burden on those same citizens. Now i could get technical with you and introduce the work of Karl Manheim, formerly of Manheim Steamroller (lol not) and Loyola law School, who says in the WSJ law blog
"The Arizona law appears to be facially unconstitutional. States have no power to pass immigration laws because it’s an attribute of foreign affairs. Just as states can’t have their own foreign policies or enter into treaties, they can’t have their own immigration laws either.
States have long attempted to regulate immigration and in some instances the federal government successfully challenged state laws in court, including in the 1800s"
Hey we could add in Neighboring state Utahs AG Shurtleff who says Arizona immigration law unconstitutional.
Joe Hell Of a Few and Yiour Opinion! Its Wrong But Whast The Hell It Does Give You A Fuzzy Feeling I Bet!
Joe Still Makes NO Difference To You Throwing Crap Bad Throwing Bottles Good. If Your Not Bruce You Act Like It. Donbt Actually Answer Questions Any More But Being A Race Dealer Probablly Dont Have The Time! Joe Believe Hooterville Is A Wee Bit To Smart For Ya And You Would Need Government Help Finding It!
Hey Joe Your Stuck In Writing Alot And Saying Very Little Again! Try To Do Better
Joe there are anti descrimination laws already in force. And we all know what a cash cow minorities have made from these profiling cases. What about the rights of the legal Americans to protect themselves and their belongings? Sometimes we hwave to have a pat down when we enter a veneiw or airplane. Bumber. But it will also fix any problem of legal citizens from not having proper ID on them. We all have to have it on us. It's the law. And if the police stop someone they have the RIGHT to ask for ID. Even in MI. If it turns out that someone is a legal citizen do ya think they wont pay an arm and a leg for sending a legal citizen to Mexico? The cops right now can stop anyone at any time for any reason. The only difference is now they can deport all the illegals instead of doing nothing. I wish they would have made the law even more broad and included the arreast and fining of any businesses that use these illegal immigrants. If they can work here and make a better life for themselves and their family they wouldn't come here. We need tough laws against the hireing of illegals. But that would hurt the unions as they have more then their share of illegal immimgrant.
Joe you should read the links Silverfiddle provided. It actually has the AZ law written in there so you can speak from a solid foundation of knowledge, not from ignorance (no offense).
How will this transfer of a federal law to state, county and local law result in the "unfair" profiling of hispanics and "unfair" burden? If you read just the very beginning of Silverfiddle's source you will see this is not the case. Unless you believe that the federal law is itself guilty of that.
ps - Well, I see I took so long in writing this that Al and Chris probably addressed the points I do. But damnit, I took the time to write it so I'm posting it! LOL
Eco-terrorists ‘plot to blow up IBM headquarters’ thwarted in routine traffic stop By Allan Hall 26th April 2010
A routine traffic-stop in Switzerland has allegedly thwarted eco-terrorists from blowing up the site of the £55million [$84.6 million] nano-technology HQ of IBM in Europe.
The three members – two men and a woman – of the Italian terrorist group Il Silvestre were stopped just a few miles from their target with their explosive device primed and ready to go.
Italians Costantino Ragusa and Silvia Guerini, together with Italian-Swiss Luca Bernasconi, were arrested and jailed after a search of their vehicle revealed the bomb.
Guerini and Constantino – the 33-year-old leader of Il Silvestre – already have convictions for eco-terrorism offences and have served jail terms.
The group describes itself as anarchist and is opposed to all forms of micro-technology as well as nuclear power and weapons…
‘A large quantity of explosives was found,’ said a police spokesman..
Investigators are quizzing the suspects on whether the planned attack is part of a new co-ordinated wave of terror against such facilities on the continent.
Swiss media reported that the intended bombing was planned to coincide with a secret meeting of European anarchists on April 16 and 17 in the Swiss town of Winterthur.
Some newspapers speculated it was being planned to bring attention to the imprisonment of Il Silvestre member Marco Camenisch, currently in jail for the murder of a Swiss border guard. Guerini and Constantino were in jail with him in 2006 and joined in a hunger strike.
Il Silvestre was spawned in the Tuscan countryside and is now considered to be one of the rising terror groups in Europe with a rigid cell structure, access to explosives and a membership that has no qualms about killing to achieve its goals.
It is considered as one of the successor groups to the lethal Red Brigades that scorched Italy in 70’s and 80’s.
John, i've read the law, i've many different lawyers feelings and best guess's on the law, its constitutionality and i've developed my own feelings on it, based on my experience living in Arizona.
First and foremost i do not see a way to distinguish legal and illegal immigrants from citizens and permanent residents and the other way around. Second the reality ias that color will be a factor. How can it not be? Please tell me how it could not be? Wasps will not be pulled over for possible immigration violations.
Having read a number of different sources i return to the fact that even Republican and Tea party types are suggesting that its wrong and is not the correct thing to do. Take Joe Scarbourgh, a former republican lawmaker..
"It does offend me when one out of every three citizens in the state of Arizona are Hispanics, and you have now put a target on the back of one out of three citizens, who, if they're walking their dog around a neighborhood, if they're walking their child to school, and they're an American citizen, or a legal, legal immigrant -- to now put a target on their back, and make them think that every time they walk out of their door they may have to prove something. I will tell you, that is un-American. It is unacceptable and it is un-American."
Take Marco Rubio and his comments "From what I have read in news reports, I do have concerns about this legislation. While I don't believe Arizona's policy was based on anything other than trying to get a handle on our broken borders, I think aspects of the law, especially that dealing with 'reasonable suspicion,' are going to put our law enforcement officers in an incredibly difficult position. It could also unreasonably single out people who are here legally, including many American citizens."
john it just doesn't cut the mustard brother. It is a violation of the 4th amendment waiting to happen and i foresee that it will be overturned quickly and alot of Hispanics will show up to vote in the western states now for the Dems.
Joe, I'm not your brother. Please don't refer to me as such.
Joe, Marco Rubio says "from what I have read in news reports"?!? Sounds like a real in-depth analysis of the law itself! In fact, sounds like he hasn't actually read the law, you might want to be careful using quotes of people who admit in the quote itself that they haven't read it.
Joe, as the law states, there has to be a LAWFUL CONTACT, at which point a reasonable attempt should be made to determine immigration status. If I'm in Arizona breaking the law they can ask me if I am a Canadian here illegally. Doesn't matter one bit the skin color. Nobody out walking their dog has any reason to be worried; but I see the Hypocrats trying to stir them up so they will be worried.
Here's the 411 on the law Joe, just so you can read it "again", LOL:
B. For any LAWFUL CONTACT made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released. The person’s immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license. 2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license. 3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification. 4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification."
Joe, again, what are your solutions? You Hypocrats seem to think that suddenly Arizona has turned completely racist to pass this law. These people are fighting to defend their life, liberty and property. What you are saying is that because a federal LAW has been taken to the State and local level it is suddenly unConstitutional?! Are you delusional, or have you finally drank the kool-aid? I really don't get it Joe, I really don't. You lefties are getting hysterical just for the sake of getting hysterical. Rioting and throwing stuff at cops just because a federal LAW has been taken to a State and local level?!?! You liberals are silly as hell.
Hey Joe, let me give you a quick anecdote. A few weeks ago my brother's church had a wild game dinner, preceded by a skeet shoot. After the shoot I went to the church and was carrying a gun in a case to my brother's truck. A cop literally stopped me as I was walking and asked if I was carrying a gun. I said yes, I was transferring it to my brother's truck. What business was it of that cop? Did he have any right to stop me and ask me what I had? Was he profiling me? I think it was a bunch of BS that he stopped me; as I understand it the 2nd Amendment is still in force. If I was a black guy or a Hispanic I guess you would call it profiling, no? But because I'm a white guy it's acceptable?
Joe, the only Hispanics that will be showing up to vote for the Hypocrats in the Western states will be the illegals. ACORN to the rescue, eh? LOL After all, far be it for us to disenfranchise illegal immigrants from voting for the Hypocrats. Sheesh.
But you know what Joe, maybe you are right about the Hispanics rushing to vote for Dingy Harry. I believe the law goes into effect in June, or maybe the end of May, so we'll have a few months to see how the law works between then and November. LEGAL immigrants will have plenty of time to make up their minds. At the moment, they overwhelmingly support the "new" law (which is just a transfer of a federal law to the State and local level remember).
Dick Morris: Obama wants to put Hispanic community ‘in a state of agitation’ By Alex Pappas
Bill Clinton’s former political consultant Dick Morris on Monday night said President Obama is pushing an immigration bill that he knows won’t pass so he can stir up racial fears of Hispanics against Republicans.
“He wants to put the Hispanic community — which is leaving him — he wants to put them back in a state of agitation feeling Republicans are somehow racist and uniting behind the Obama administration,” Morris said on Fox’s Hannity. “I personally don’t think it is going to work. I think that legal citizens who are here of Latino origin are not necessarily in favor of amnesty.”
Morris said polling suggests Latinos are suffering more from unemployment and recession and since many are social conservatives, Obama knows he needs wedge issues to keep them from supporting Republicans in 2010.
“So what Obama needs to do is raise the ante and get them to feel they are under attack again by English-only anti-immigration zealots, as he would put it. That’s the game he’s trying to play.”
Joe said,"First and foremost i do not see a way to distinguish legal and illegal immigrants from citizens and permanent residents and the other way around." You ask for their ID like they do now. And if they don't have any proof of citizenship then they can deport them. Get it? If the fed did their job Arizona wouldn't have to protect their citizens. Did yopu know that Phenix is the kidnap capitol of the nation? Phenix is the #2 in the world. How would you like to live like that? I'll do an open debate about this on a new post.
"color will be a factor" No nationality will be the factor. Turning this in to a racial issue is the left way of giving a free pass to illegal immigration. 2nd "States have no power to pass immigration laws because it’s an attribute of foreign affairs." The very moment that rancher got killed and the Mexican drug cartels started killing American citizens on our soil it became an Article 1 Section 10, clause 3, Issue. (Again) No State shall.... engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay. Any good lawyer would know that.
Following Arizona’s passage of a tough new immigration law, Barack Obama described the law as “misguided” and implied that Arizona was being “irresponsible” by trying to protect its lawful citizens.
ReplyDeleteSurprisingly (to me, at least), Senator John “the Maverick” McCain responded:
“If the president doesn’t like what the Arizona Legislature and governor may be doing, then I call on the president to immediately call for the dispatch of 3,000 National Guard troops to our border and mandate that 3,000 additional Border Patrol [officers] be sent to our border as well,” McCain said at a news conference Friday in downtown Phoenix, according to a report in the Arizona Republic.
“And that way, then the state of Arizona will not have to enact legislation which they have to do because of the federal government’s failure to carry out its responsibilities, which is to secure the borders.”
Good idea, especially considering that Mexican military border incursions have continued unabated for years now. Perhaps the National Guard can help with that, along with stemming the tide of illegals.
Where was the Good John McCain during the 2008 election? Where was that McCain in 2005 and 2007 when “immigration reform” was proposed? Maybe Bad John has given way to Good John in the wake of a strong primary challenge from J. D. Hayworth? Amazing what a little competition will do. Now if only he’ll remember it.
Arizona can pass race base laws, pass Birthers laws and the state can continue to boycott Martin Luther King Day, well the rest of the Country can boycott the state of Arizona and spank them where it hurts them the most their pocket book. Their phony patriotism is sickening, they are just racists going by another name. We all know you are just itching to put a sheet on their head? Let’s face it the Republicans had eight years to deal with health care, immigration, climate change and financial oversight and governance and they failed. It appears that the Republican Party is only good at starting wars (two in eight years, with fat contracts to friends of Cheney/Bush) but not at winning wars as seen by the continuing line of body bags that keep coming home. The Republicans party will continue turned inward to their old fashion obstructionist party (and their Confederacy appreciation roots) because they continue to allow a small portions (but very loud portion) of their party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” to rule their party. I will admit that this fringe is very good at playing “Follow the Leader” by listening to their dullard leaders, Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush, Savage, Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and the rest of the Blowhards and acting as ill programmed robots (they have already acted against doctors that perform abortions). The Birthers and the Tea party crowd think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey than the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. The world is complicated and people like Hamilton, Lincoln, and Roosevelt believed that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now it’s about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. For a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, it is tragic that the ranks are filled with too many empty suits and the crazy Birthers who have not learned that the way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked internet lies, then, and only then, do you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called “facts”. Let’s face it no one will take the Birthers seriously until they win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. I heard that Orly Taitz now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC), she wants to re-establish a family values party, that’s like saying that the Catholic Church cares about the welling being of children in their care, too late for that.
ReplyDeleteIf AZ wants a war we will give them a war. And yes we will be taking it to a city near you. You whites haven't seen anything yet. We only just started.
ReplyDeleteHey Anny. Before You Start Put Brain In Gear, Threats Gee Left Has Never Tried That One Before! Remain Calm And Of Coarse Take Your Meds! Have A Great Day!
ReplyDeleteOne month after the much-ballyhooed Coffee Party gatherings, Newsweek interviews Annabelle Park, leader of the Astroturf Coffee Party. What we learn is that Coffee Party members are, surprise, surprise, hardcore lefties who do not want civility but payback.
ReplyDeleteNewsweek: When Annabel Park imagined what it would be like to head a new national political movement, here is what she had in mind: a coming together of engaged, intelligent citizens who had tired of the angry rhetoric and accusations of the Tea Partiers; Americans of all political persuasions joining in a spirit of equanimity to discuss the nation's problems, and maybe even share a laugh. It was this beautiful vision that danced in Park's head on a recent Saturday as she made her way to Busboys and Poets, a cafe in Washington, D.C., for one of nearly 500 Coffee Party meetings taking place nationwide that day. She knew the house would be full—word had spread quickly on the group's swelling Facebook page. Park, a documentary filmmaker, was especially pleased that C-Span had arranged to broadcast the meeting.
But from the moment folks in the crowd stood up to speak their minds, Park knew these people had not come to sip cappuccinos and set an example of civility for an overheated nation. They were angry. They hated the Tea Party, and the Republican Party. They wanted to get even. One audience member said America was under the thumb of oligarchs and denounced "moneyed interests." A few people hissed when Sarah Palin's name was mentioned. Also on hand were the usual suspects drawn to the C-Span bat signal. A man representing Code Pink, the left-wing protest group, said that "racism was the basis for everything that's going on right now." He also seemed to have a real problem with "fear-based rhetoric" and Northrop Grumman.
Park, a 42-year-old Korean-American with a smile that can only be described as "kind," regularly tried to steer the talk back to the group's more centrist principles. But when someone asked how many people in the room were Republicans, all 80 hands remained down. "I like the civility idea, but I hate the Tea Party people," said attendee Karen Anderson. By the end of the event, some in the crowd had decided the movement, barely two months old at the time, needed a new leader. China Dickerson, a 26-year-old community organizer, said the Coffee Party wouldn't last "unless we get someone a little more powerful to head it." She wanted a rabble-rouser, "not someone that says we can all work together." Park seemed a little rattled after the meeting. "If they want to fire me, this may not be the group for them," she said later. "We don't want conflict and confrontation."
Well so much for that bi-partisan civility nonsense. The media has made much noise about the “anger” of the Tea Parties. This so called anger is really passion. Passion against what many see as an illogical direction the nation has taken, large deficits, wild spending and a congress that is interested in issues best suited for its immediate needs rather than the people’s immediate needs.
To think one could counter the Tea Party’s passion with quietly sipping coffee and making signs is pretty ridiculous. Of course, most of the folks who showed up for the Coffee Party kick off would be hardcore lefties looking to combat the coffee party. Given the Coffee Party’s Astroturf roots, aren’t angry lefties what they were going for from the start?
I don’t see the Coffee Party growing into anything more than numbers on a Facebook page. Unless they rip the mask off and come out as angry leftist looking to support Obama’s hard left agenda and challenge the Tea Parties, many will simply lose interest in it and move on.
"Legal" Hispanic citizens are overwhelmingly for this Arizona legislation. They worked hard to get where they are. They respect this country and its laws, and care very little for their former country-men and -women who make them look bad. Obama can keep concentrating on making the DemocRATS look bad, he's doing a fantastic job of it.
ReplyDeleteAll they have to do is start arresting these rioters and send them home to Mexico if they are here illegally. That will take care of future riots. As we all know most of the rioters are here illegally anyways.
ReplyDeletewelcome to the Soviet union of Arizona? Do you have your traveling papers, dark skinned man/woman?
ReplyDeleteJoe you and I both know that isn't what the law says. They will be going after the light skinned as well as the dark skinned latinos.lol. People are over reacting to this state law that follows the federal law. What would you do to secure the state? Why isn't Washington doing their job? All I know is when I lived and worked in Japan I had to have a green card(gaijin toroksho)with me at all times. I also must carry my drivers licens with me here in MI. And by the way Mexico has this same law in effect for their own country. If you can't prove you are American then you need to go. You all want to be like the rest of the world well this is it. All states should have a protection of it's citizens above illegals.
ReplyDeleteJoe where is all your outrage over all the violence from the left?
ReplyDeleteWOW, never thought I'd see liberal anarchist in my life time. :)
ReplyDeleteAnd good for that Vet, proud American.
Some on the left like to think this is racial profiling. It's actual immigration profiling. Sharpton best remember this when he shows up down there.
Chris, i am sure that the Zona gypsy groups will be the first targeted, but it is still a law based on profiling. I see no other way to enforce this law.
ReplyDeleteAnyone of Mexican or Hispanic decent will be subject to a different degree of scrutiny than non-Hispanics in Arizona and that is the reality of how this law will be enforced. Thats strikes me as a unconstitutional attack on the lawful citizen's rights. You guys on the right always cry about the constitution but then don't mind bending it when it comes to a minority group, like gay marriage/ racial profiling. Too bad.
As long as the straight caucasians aren't subject to the restriction then your okay. Too bad for everyone else.
These hysterically violent libtards and crap slinging baboons are at their absolute wackadoo nuttiest when they can scream and rant in public, putting their idiocy on full display.
ReplyDeleteHey Batboy, you haven't explained how this law is unconstitutional. It all depends on how they carry it out, doesn't it?
I love how the loony left goes off half cocked without even examining the facts.
You want an easy way out, leftard wingadings? Petition congress to strike down our immigration laws (which they don't enforce anyway). That simple. Case closed.
Here's a link to some legal analysis for those few lefty ranters who know how to read:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/04/anti-illegal-immigration-law-part-1/
http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/04/anti-illegal-immigration-law-part-2/
Here is one section that is pertinent to this discussion:
A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.
Yeah, your right Joe, there is a violation of the constitution being had there.
ReplyDeleteSince these are illegal immigrants, and the Federal Government not acting, the state holds the power. In defiance of the Constitution for the Federal Government not to act;
The 14th Amendment, Equal protection clause, requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all CITIZENS within their jurisdiction.
Also Article 1, Section 8 requires congress to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel INVASIONS.
Article 1 Section 10, clause 3, No State shall.... engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
hey, i like how Silverfiddle calls a bunch of Hispanics baboons. Brings to mind the old black person being called a monkey thing on a mexican themed rant. good job brother.
ReplyDeleteMarc, now your being a little toadie. Your not being INVADED. not in the sense the constitution was referring to. What stupid ass way to play semantic word games.
Baboons are from Asia Joe. And since any of the great apes or monkey are most like us and those liberals were acting like animals t5hat is where you have it. Joe what do you call it when thew Mexicans come over our boarders by the MILLIONS illegaly? I would call it an invation. I enjoyed learning from both Silverfiddle and Mark Adams.
ReplyDeleteOn top of what Chris replied, Joe, there is also a drug war going on at the boarder. And its spilling over on to American soil. And some Americans have been killed down there. Did you also hear about an American rancher was killed down there.
ReplyDeleteThis is getting serious, Joe. And the US Government need to protect the boarder.
Nice try, batboy. This statement applies to all lefty protesters who enjoy acting like idiots for the entertainment of the sane Americans. Remember the G8 summits, anti-war, all the anti-bush hatefests?
ReplyDelete"These hysterically violent libtards and crap slinging baboons are at their absolute wackadoo nuttiest when they can scream and rant in public, putting their idiocy on full display."
I also noticed you didn't answer my question.
Typical lefty agitprop, Batboy. When your type is not slinging crap, you're screaming out false charges. Anything to keep from engaging in a debate that would expose your gross ignorance.
I also posted links and excerpts from the law, but not of the DemoDingbats want to address that.
This is just an id-driven diaper rash rant on the part of the left. Facts? Who needs 'em?
Joe You Really Are On Edge Lately. Baboons Do Throw Their Crap Sorta Like You And Your Racist Remarks Joe. You Rant, Race Bait And Then POOF Your Gone>
ReplyDeleteHey Joe One Last Thought What Do You Call Illegals That Throw Water Bottles At Police Officers Doing Their Duty Or In Your World Is That Also Not a Crime When The Illegals Do It!
ReplyDeleteJust Like a Liberal/Progressive Worry About What a Baboon Does With His Crap But Not What Criminals Do With Water Bottles and Joe Until Government Changes Laws, Which With This Regime Is a Possibility. Illegals Are Criminals Being Subsidized By Tax Payers Which In Your World Is A Good Thingy!
Thank god he color coded all the assholes white. That way we can find them easier when the time comes.
ReplyDeleteAl, i'm not an expert on shit throwing primates like you, so i'll take your word for it. Naturally being the mayor of hooterville and aconservative you'd be pretty knowledgeable on methods of shit throwing.
ReplyDeleteAs for Race baiting, nah i just call em like i see em. John Roberts and i are just referees, calling balls and strikes. I bring up race and ethinicity out there when it obvious that it is part of the discussion. You throw talking points around without any regard for reality.
Chris, like many old world monkeys the Baboon makes his home in East Africa. Got that straight from Nat Geo.
Silverfiddle, whats up with the name calling. Any time i do it theres some sort of "he has no argument speach posted" Guess that applies to you as well.
As for being unconstitutional, its pretty simple to me. The bill is likely to result in the unfair profiling of hispanic citizens and create an unfair burden on those same citizens. Now i could get technical with you and introduce the work of Karl Manheim, formerly of Manheim Steamroller (lol not) and Loyola law School, who says in the WSJ law blog
"The Arizona law appears to be facially unconstitutional. States have no power to pass immigration laws because it’s an attribute of foreign affairs. Just as states can’t have their own foreign policies or enter into treaties, they can’t have their own immigration laws either.
States have long attempted to regulate immigration and in some instances the federal government successfully challenged state laws in court, including in the 1800s"
Hey we could add in Neighboring state Utahs AG Shurtleff who says Arizona immigration law unconstitutional.
So there you have it. thats my view.
You are right Joe about the Baboon. For some reason I was think Orangatang.Thanks
ReplyDeleteJoe Hell Of a Few and Yiour Opinion! Its Wrong But Whast The Hell It Does Give You A Fuzzy Feeling I Bet!
ReplyDeleteJoe Still Makes NO Difference To You Throwing Crap Bad Throwing Bottles Good. If Your Not Bruce You Act Like It. Donbt Actually Answer Questions Any More But Being A Race Dealer Probablly Dont Have The Time! Joe Believe Hooterville Is A Wee Bit To Smart For Ya And You Would Need Government Help Finding It!
Hey Joe Your Stuck In Writing Alot And Saying Very Little Again! Try To Do Better
Joe there are anti descrimination laws already in force. And we all know what a cash cow minorities have made from these profiling cases. What about the rights of the legal Americans to protect themselves and their belongings? Sometimes we hwave to have a pat down when we enter a veneiw or airplane. Bumber. But it will also fix any problem of legal citizens from not having proper ID on them. We all have to have it on us. It's the law. And if the police stop someone they have the RIGHT to ask for ID. Even in MI. If it turns out that someone is a legal citizen do ya think they wont pay an arm and a leg for sending a legal citizen to Mexico? The cops right now can stop anyone at any time for any reason. The only difference is now they can deport all the illegals instead of doing nothing. I wish they would have made the law even more broad and included the arreast and fining of any businesses that use these illegal immigrants. If they can work here and make a better life for themselves and their family they wouldn't come here. We need tough laws against the hireing of illegals. But that would hurt the unions as they have more then their share of illegal immimgrant.
ReplyDeleteJoe you should read the links Silverfiddle provided. It actually has the AZ law written in there so you can speak from a solid foundation of knowledge, not from ignorance (no offense).
ReplyDeleteHow will this transfer of a federal law to state, county and local law result in the "unfair" profiling of hispanics and "unfair" burden? If you read just the very beginning of Silverfiddle's source you will see this is not the case. Unless you believe that the federal law is itself guilty of that.
ps - Well, I see I took so long in writing this that Al and Chris probably addressed the points I do. But damnit, I took the time to write it so I'm posting it! LOL
LMAO ... Al, you crack me up every damn time! LOL
ReplyDeleteChris -
ReplyDeleteMore liberal attacks; this time it's regressive eco-terrorists that were thwarted just in time:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/eco-terrorists-sought-to-blow-up-ibm-hq?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+sweetness-light/sURR+(Sweetness+%26+Light+-+Articles)
Eco-terrorists ‘plot to blow up IBM headquarters’ thwarted in routine traffic stop
By Allan Hall
26th April 2010
A routine traffic-stop in Switzerland has allegedly thwarted eco-terrorists from blowing up the site of the £55million [$84.6 million] nano-technology HQ of IBM in Europe.
The three members – two men and a woman – of the Italian terrorist group Il Silvestre were stopped just a few miles from their target with their explosive device primed and ready to go.
Italians Costantino Ragusa and Silvia Guerini, together with Italian-Swiss Luca Bernasconi, were arrested and jailed after a search of their vehicle revealed the bomb.
Guerini and Constantino – the 33-year-old leader of Il Silvestre – already have convictions for eco-terrorism offences and have served jail terms.
The group describes itself as anarchist and is opposed to all forms of micro-technology as well as nuclear power and weapons…
‘A large quantity of explosives was found,’ said a police spokesman..
Investigators are quizzing the suspects on whether the planned attack is part of a new co-ordinated wave of terror against such facilities on the continent.
Swiss media reported that the intended bombing was planned to coincide with a secret meeting of European anarchists on April 16 and 17 in the Swiss town of Winterthur.
Some newspapers speculated it was being planned to bring attention to the imprisonment of Il Silvestre member Marco Camenisch, currently in jail for the murder of a Swiss border guard. Guerini and Constantino were in jail with him in 2006 and joined in a hunger strike.
Il Silvestre was spawned in the Tuscan countryside and is now considered to be one of the rising terror groups in Europe with a rigid cell structure, access to explosives and a membership that has no qualms about killing to achieve its goals.
It is considered as one of the successor groups to the lethal Red Brigades that scorched Italy in 70’s and 80’s.
John, i've read the law, i've many different lawyers feelings and best guess's on the law, its constitutionality and i've developed my own feelings on it, based on my experience living in Arizona.
ReplyDeleteFirst and foremost i do not see a way to distinguish legal and illegal immigrants from citizens and permanent residents and the other way around. Second the reality ias that color will be a factor. How can it not be? Please tell me how it could not be? Wasps will not be pulled over for possible immigration violations.
Having read a number of different sources i return to the fact that even Republican and Tea party types are suggesting that its wrong and is not the correct thing to do. Take Joe Scarbourgh, a former republican lawmaker..
"It does offend me when one out of every three citizens in the state of Arizona are Hispanics, and you have now put a target on the back of one out of three citizens, who, if they're walking their dog around a neighborhood, if they're walking their child to school, and they're an American citizen, or a legal, legal immigrant -- to now put a target on their back, and make them think that every time they walk out of their door they may have to prove something. I will tell you, that is un-American. It is unacceptable and it is un-American."
Take Marco Rubio and his comments
"From what I have read in news reports, I do have concerns about this legislation. While I don't believe Arizona's policy was based on anything other than trying to get a handle on our broken borders, I think aspects of the law, especially that dealing with 'reasonable suspicion,' are going to put our law enforcement officers in an incredibly difficult position. It could also unreasonably single out people who are here legally, including many American citizens."
john it just doesn't cut the mustard brother. It is a violation of the 4th amendment waiting to happen and i foresee that it will be overturned quickly and alot of Hispanics will show up to vote in the western states now for the Dems.
Harry Reid says, "Thank You Jesus!!"
Joe, I'm not your brother. Please don't refer to me as such.
ReplyDeleteJoe, Marco Rubio says "from what I have read in news reports"?!? Sounds like a real in-depth analysis of the law itself! In fact, sounds like he hasn't actually read the law, you might want to be careful using quotes of people who admit in the quote itself that they haven't read it.
Joe, as the law states, there has to be a LAWFUL CONTACT, at which point a reasonable attempt should be made to determine immigration status. If I'm in Arizona breaking the law they can ask me if I am a Canadian here illegally. Doesn't matter one bit the skin color. Nobody out walking their dog has any reason to be worried; but I see the Hypocrats trying to stir them up so they will be worried.
Here's the 411 on the law Joe, just so you can read it "again", LOL:
B. For any LAWFUL CONTACT made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released. The person’s immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification."
Joe, again, what are your solutions? You Hypocrats seem to think that suddenly Arizona has turned completely racist to pass this law. These people are fighting to defend their life, liberty and property. What you are saying is that because a federal LAW has been taken to the State and local level it is suddenly unConstitutional?! Are you delusional, or have you finally drank the kool-aid? I really don't get it Joe, I really don't. You lefties are getting hysterical just for the sake of getting hysterical. Rioting and throwing stuff at cops just because a federal LAW has been taken to a State and local level?!?! You liberals are silly as hell.
Hey Joe, let me give you a quick anecdote. A few weeks ago my brother's church had a wild game dinner, preceded by a skeet shoot. After the shoot I went to the church and was carrying a gun in a case to my brother's truck. A cop literally stopped me as I was walking and asked if I was carrying a gun. I said yes, I was transferring it to my brother's truck. What business was it of that cop? Did he have any right to stop me and ask me what I had? Was he profiling me? I think it was a bunch of BS that he stopped me; as I understand it the 2nd Amendment is still in force. If I was a black guy or a Hispanic I guess you would call it profiling, no? But because I'm a white guy it's acceptable?
Joe, the only Hispanics that will be showing up to vote for the Hypocrats in the Western states will be the illegals. ACORN to the rescue, eh? LOL After all, far be it for us to disenfranchise illegal immigrants from voting for the Hypocrats. Sheesh.
ReplyDeleteBut you know what Joe, maybe you are right about the Hispanics rushing to vote for Dingy Harry. I believe the law goes into effect in June, or maybe the end of May, so we'll have a few months to see how the law works between then and November. LEGAL immigrants will have plenty of time to make up their minds. At the moment, they overwhelmingly support the "new" law (which is just a transfer of a federal law to the State and local level remember).
ReplyDeleteDick Morris: Obama wants to put Hispanic community ‘in a state of agitation’
ReplyDeleteBy Alex Pappas
Bill Clinton’s former political consultant Dick Morris on Monday night said President Obama is pushing an immigration bill that he knows won’t pass so he can stir up racial fears of Hispanics against Republicans.
“He wants to put the Hispanic community — which is leaving him — he wants to put them back in a state of agitation feeling Republicans are somehow racist and uniting behind the Obama administration,” Morris said on Fox’s Hannity. “I personally don’t think it is going to work. I think that legal citizens who are here of Latino origin are not necessarily in favor of amnesty.”
Morris said polling suggests Latinos are suffering more from unemployment and recession and since many are social conservatives, Obama knows he needs wedge issues to keep them from supporting Republicans in 2010.
“So what Obama needs to do is raise the ante and get them to feel they are under attack again by English-only anti-immigration zealots, as he would put it. That’s the game he’s trying to play.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/27/dick-morris-obama-wants-to-put-hispanic-community-%e2%80%98in-a-state-of-agitation%e2%80%99/#ixzz0mKYRcudU
Joe said,"First and foremost i do not see a way to distinguish legal and illegal immigrants from citizens and permanent residents and the other way around." You ask for their ID like they do now. And if they don't have any proof of citizenship then they can deport them. Get it? If the fed did their job Arizona wouldn't have to protect their citizens. Did yopu know that Phenix is the kidnap capitol of the nation? Phenix is the #2 in the world. How would you like to live like that? I'll do an open debate about this on a new post.
ReplyDelete"color will be a factor" No nationality will be the factor. Turning this in to a racial issue is the left way of giving a free pass to illegal immigration.
ReplyDelete2nd "States have no power to pass immigration laws because it’s an attribute of foreign affairs."
The very moment that rancher got killed and the Mexican drug cartels started killing American citizens on our soil it became an Article 1 Section 10, clause 3, Issue. (Again) No State shall.... engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Any good lawyer would know that.