Selfish Sanitation Department bosses from the snow-slammed outer boroughs ordered their drivers to snarl the blizzard cleanup to protest budget cuts -- a disastrous move that turned streets into a minefield for emergency-services vehicles. It seems that the unions will let people die and suffer so that they can intimidate We the People. How are our public unions any different then the thug public unions in Greece rioting? Do we really want unions in control over our lives like this? When unions and governments work together like this the end result always sucks for the taxpayers. And thanks to the Democratic Party the public unions have grown to epic proportions. Take this as a lesson. We better give the public unions what they want or they will put our lives and liberties at risk. It's time the people play the same game as the unions. First the people need to call for the firing without pensions or pay of every person involved in this. Don't worry they can be easily replaced at 1/2 the pay and twice the work force value. And then they need to take them all to court as this might be a crime. I'll let the jury have that one. For some reason I think the unions will riot and do more damage in order to intimidate the tax payers. Are these really the people you want in charge in a crisis like a snow storm or whatever?
Friday, December 31, 2010
Union Bosses Slowed Blizzard Cleanup on Purpose. Fire Them All Now!
Selfish Sanitation Department bosses from the snow-slammed outer boroughs ordered their drivers to snarl the blizzard cleanup to protest budget cuts -- a disastrous move that turned streets into a minefield for emergency-services vehicles. It seems that the unions will let people die and suffer so that they can intimidate We the People. How are our public unions any different then the thug public unions in Greece rioting? Do we really want unions in control over our lives like this? When unions and governments work together like this the end result always sucks for the taxpayers. And thanks to the Democratic Party the public unions have grown to epic proportions. Take this as a lesson. We better give the public unions what they want or they will put our lives and liberties at risk. It's time the people play the same game as the unions. First the people need to call for the firing without pensions or pay of every person involved in this. Don't worry they can be easily replaced at 1/2 the pay and twice the work force value. And then they need to take them all to court as this might be a crime. I'll let the jury have that one. For some reason I think the unions will riot and do more damage in order to intimidate the tax payers. Are these really the people you want in charge in a crisis like a snow storm or whatever?
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Chris, Fox news reports it as this...
ReplyDeleteHalloran said he met with three plow workers from the Sanitation Department -- and two Department of Transportation supervisors who were on loan -- at his office after he was flooded with irate calls from constituents. The workers said the work slowdown was pushed by supervisors, not the unions, as the result of growing hostility between Mayor Michael Bloomberg and the workers responsible for clearing the snow.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/30/union-workers-reportedly-staged-slowdown-new-york-city-battled-blizzard/#ixzz19hzuaZZl
It seems that soon to be demoted Supervisors and their brethren staged a wildcat. While i am generally union friendly i don't find wildcats that threaten peoples lives or throw a city into turmoil to be correct.
If they did it they deserve to be fired.
On the surface its pretty damning evidence. And i generally feel that its something that could happen.
But what to do about supervision and unions? I don't wish to deny anyone the right to collectively bargain, but once you establish that mode of bargaining there is some push back on both sides.
If true and the unions disagreed with the supers then simply stage a mutiny (if so engaged with citizenry?) and plow the fricking snow, dispatchers and all.
ReplyDeleteI am quite sure City Hall would have approved the move including all wages.
p.s., Happy New Year!
No, this was collusion and all should be fired, period. There are plenty of unemployed to fill their ranks.
CP, your not even making sense.
ReplyDeleteThe accused supers didn't go to the rank and file union and ask them.
They went to individual workers and asked them. And its not collusion, its called concerted effort. And obviously some workers did what they asked and should be punished.
but many did the job they were tasked to do and correctly. Its not fair to attack all of them, because many of them did their job correctly.
And my experience in Unions has shown that conservatives as well as liberals push the rules, stage wildcats, get involved with slowdowns. Its not a partisan thing.
So we might be talking not about some bunch of lefty unionists, but an average GOP voter pissed that his salary is being cut. You guys yourself like to tell us how many conservatives are in unions.
Definitions of collusion (n)
ReplyDeletecol·lu·sion
secret cooperation: secret cooperation between people in order to do something illegal or underhanded.
That is just what you described, correct?
And you I do not make sense? You just proved my point so I guess that makes two of us,,lmao
Joe it is you that is making this partisan with your idiotic GOP comment,"So we might be talking not about some bunch of lefty unionists, but an average GOP voter pissed that his salary is being cut. You guys yourself like to tell us how many conservatives are in unions." Can you be any more hypocritical? If you think it's the GOP union members doing this have fun with it. Joe you and I both know what the other union members do to a hard or fast working line worker. I was told to slow down every day I worked at Ford. I've never worked anywhere were the labor ran production with slow downs like I did at Ford/UAW. So if you can't see the union leaders and the members doing this then you are just playing stupid. And Joe you know how the word passes arround the shops. I don't think it would be hard to put the word out in an underground maner.
ReplyDeleteHappy New Year all.
ReplyDeleteChris Happy New Year! You are truly a great patriot and I wish ALL here a very happy and prosperous New Year throughout!!!
ReplyDeleteWe have a New House! Time to celebrate!
CP, Actually i got the last part technically incorrect. Outside of Ford, thats the term used in defining action by employees to effect the company outside of standard legal remedies.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't trying to be anything more than helpful about that part. The part where i said you made no sense is the beginning.
Christopher - Conservative Perspective said...
"If true and the unions disagreed with the supers then simply stage a mutiny"
the Supers would never ask the Unions for official sanction. Each employee would be approached individually or in small groups. And most would choose to do their jobs.
Chris, Read what i wrote...
ReplyDeleteJoeC said...
And my experience in Unions has shown that conservatives as well as liberals push the rules, stage wildcats, get involved with slowdowns. Its not a partisan thing
31 December, 2010 13:15
So did i say that this is a partisan thing or did i then just offer a standard comeback to your leftist union attacks? I bet there was all four types of voters involved, Left, right, center and non (voter).
As for not thinking it could happen...
JoeC said...
It seems that soon to be demoted Supervisors and their brethren staged a wildcat. While i am generally union friendly i don't find wildcats that threaten peoples lives or throw a city into turmoil to be correct......
....On the surface its pretty damning evidence. And i generally feel that its something that could happen.
31 December, 2010 12:19
I said they staged a wildcat or slowdown. A concerted activity outside of official union sanction to harass the company they work for.
I also said its wrong. "i don't find wildcats that threaten peoples lives or throw a city into turmoil to be correct" is exactly what i said.
Chris, your so anti-union you don't even let common sense discussion happen. There are so many things wrong in union shops just as there are so many things wrong in non-unions shops. There are scumbag liberals and scumbag conservatives in unions. I have been approached by approached by hardcore right wingers about slowdowns and such and i have been approached by liberals too. The same goes for leaving early. There is nothing partisan about getting over on others.
You name the group, they've all done it. Christian/Muslim, White/Black, Salary/hourly, Con/lib and Women/Men.
Its obvious that a lot of your dislike and distrust of them has to do with their politics. If Union leadership voted right we wouldn't be having this discussion. Why do i say that? Because you post threads about a liberal politician doing something, but the same thing is ignored when its done by a conservative.
JoeC, Your reply to me did not change anything, re-read it. You ask Chris to read what you wrote, why not give it a try yourself.
ReplyDeleteGentlemen HAPPY NEW YEAR!
ReplyDeleteJoe for some reason you just don't get what I or Christopher are saying. When the unions make life hard for the middle class and bully the people into subjection then I'm against unions. I'm not anti-union. The unions had a place and time when they did good but that is long past. Did you not understand the difference between a PUBLIC union and a private union? Yes I'm against PUBLIC unions. Joe didn't you understand the irony in what you wrote about this issue not being partinsan? And then in the next paragraph you said it's the conservatives in the union. You need to read your own post Joe.
ReplyDeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteUnion have will continue to have a place in society and the workplace. You can suggest otherwise till your blue in the face and that won't change the reality that without unions the average worker would undoubtedly suffer. Even the very threat of a union is enough to increase wages, benefits and working conditions in our country.
I think i noted the irony in what i said. Didn't you get it? Here you are as a conservative bashing unions and union workers while often mentioning how many union workers that are conservative. The fact that union workers are seen as fat, lazy, undereducated, greedy and killing their own livelihood by many conservatives is ironic given that they and you have said that almost 40% of all union workers are conservative. Its an attack on your own. ironic!
What i didn't say was that IT WAS conservatives, but that WE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT THEM. I merely offered the potential but unrealistic notion that since the union is nearly half conservative it could be conservatives we are talking about.
Neither CP or you actually believe that i was suggesting it was conservatives. We all know that the left is the majority in unions and that many of the accused would be liberal leaning.
JoeC,
ReplyDeleteOnce again you did not read?
I mentioned neither the left or right but rather a word and defined mind you of collusion. Furthermore in your reply you backed me up.
What you do not understand, unbelievably I might add, is that in your thoughts you are a liberal, but in your written (typed) word you are leaning conservative.
Get off the damn fence!
Joe when did 40% become "nearly half"? See Joe unions are really a democracy and 51% rules. When you have 60% non-conservative then the conservatives don't have a voice. An electoral college would fix that for the unions. But liberals in the union rule the rooste and just look at how the unions members treat vocal conservatives.
ReplyDeleteCPO makes a great point Joe. It does seem like you are fighting the conservative in you or visa versa.
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